Weapons and vehicles of the "Operation Neptune" update

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No these three were not used in the “tens of thousands” by German front-line troops. Do your research before you claim nonsensical things like that.

For your information the German government has made available online the WW2 monthly reports of German combat formations which list in great detail the number and type of equipment they had.

As for the Thompson it is there at BR 2, 3, 4 and 6 last time I checked. So a player can equip one at each of those BR levels. Something that cannot be done for the MP 38 and MP 40 which are both stuck at BR 2.

Mind you, you can also make a suggestion to alter the current data of the M1A1 Thompson to have it at BR 3.

Like I stated earlier Brass Rain will be released and that game will focus on supplying authentic equipment to the players for an authentic WW2 experience. If the Enlisted Developers want to keep the players that are interested in having an authentic WW2 equipment experience at BR 3 in their game then they better implement changes to at least let BR 3 supply authentic WW2 equipment to the players which was produced and used in huge numbers by the actual front-line combat troops in WW2.

If Brass Rain offers the better WW2 experience in terms of authenticity then I will not be the only one to abandon Enlisted with its increasingly fantasy line up.

Fewer players in Enlisted is not good for the future of Enlisted.

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You should thoroughly research WW2 history because you are misinformed.

For your information the German government has made available online the WW2 monthly reports of German combat formations which list in great detail the number and type of equipment they had.

You should consult that data before making your unfounded claims.

Go ahead, consult them and do some research. You will find that not only was the MP 35/I produced in small numbers but it also was not issued to first line front-line combat troops and certainly not used by them up till 1944.

Go ahead and search for primary source data that the front-line combat units of the Waffen SS used the MP 35/I instead of the MP 38/40 in front-line combat from the early stages of the war up till 1944. It does not exist. Their main MP was the MP 38 and MP 40 and from late 1943 on they were also supplied with the MKb 42, MP 43/1, MP 43, MP 44 and StG 44 in addition to the MP 38/40.

Weapons that were not mass produced, like the MP 35/I, were typically supplied to support and rear echelon formations and not to first line front-line combat troops.

And you are wrong: German troops did use captured enemy weapons in huge numbers BUT these weapons were as a rule of thumb NOT issued to first line front-line combat troops for several obvious reasons, such as limited supplies of spare parts and limited ammunition for captured enemy weapons.

You might find it “monotonous and boring” to have first line front-line combat troops equipped only with the MP 40, there is a however a good reason why this was so in reality: standardization.

Like I stated earlier Brass Rain will be released and that game will focus on supplying authentic equipment to the players for an authentic WW2 experience. If the Enlisted Developers want to keep the players that are interested in having an authentic WW2 equipment experience at BR 3 in their game then they better implement changes to at least let BR 3 supply authentic WW2 equipment to the players which was produced and used in huge numbers by the actual front-line combat troops in WW2.

If Brass Rain offers the better WW2 experience in terms of authenticity then I will not be the only one to abandon Enlisted with its increasingly fantasy line up.

Fewer players in Enlisted is not good for the future of Enlisted.

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I see your point but IMO it would be better to have a ‘realistic’ squads mode so there is something to cater to people who care a lot about history or have a more serious experience. Personally I find it fun to be able to use weird prototype weapons and old pre war weapons like a Winchester 1886 or 1907, but I must admit that it can be a little tiresome to have prototypes as the meta choice in the kill feed (that don’t always make sense). I’m not going to be playing brass rain any time soon (min requirements) but I understand. at the end of the day while it’s not ideal you can still use an mp 40 at br 2,3,4 & 5 if you like but it isn’t meta and if you chose to use it for historical reasons I respect that. IF it needed a buff I would prefer horizontal recoil buff and less damage drop off not higher damage because its 9mm parabellum and should be the same/similar to other 9mm weapons in game. If I were in your shoes which I’m not, I’m a US main I would use the mp 40 anyway. There are other reasons to play enlisted too like vehicles so I wish you peace of mind and if you need to play Brass Rain so be it, kind regards. :peace_symbol:

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I agree.

A long time ago on this forum I proposed to have BR ratings for year of introduction (so 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, 1945 and “P” for Prototype+Fantasy) instead of BR 1 to 5. A game does not need to be setup to only please one type of player. I understand that there are players that would prefer Prototype+Fantasy and that is ok, it is just sad that Enlisted is going the same route that games like World of Warships etc. have also done by going from authenticity to prototypes/fantasy and more or less forcing all players to go along with that.

When Enlisted was started it was supposed to be and remain authentic. If that would not have been how it was marketed then I would never have started playing it. I prefer authenticity in a WW2 game over prototype+fantasy.

One of the reasons for going from authenticity to prototypes/fantasy is that currently all that Enlisted, and other games like it, have to offer is “more” weapons/vehicles/aircraft. And after the ones that really made their mark in history have already been introduced in the game (for example the MP 40) then the only thing left to add in the end is prototypes/fantasy. And to make matters worse the prototypes/fantasy ones need to be better than the ones already in the game because otherwise what would be the point for players to unlock/buy them and use them in-game?

If I have the time for it I will write a proposal for another type of “unlock” path that I have in mind, which no longer is focused on “more” weapons/vehicles/aircraft but on something else instead. What I am thinking of, to my knowledge, has up till now not been done in any other game, even though it would be quite unique. To put that proposal in writing will take time, and if I get around to it I will post it here.

In the meantime I hope that at least BR 3 will remain the most authentic BR in Enlisted. BR 3 being the only BR that is fairly authentic currently in Enlisted. For the time being my BR 3 German setup does include the MP 40, but like I wrote earlier that is a handicap inflicted by me on the other players on the German side in a match. I prefer instead that the Developers have the common sense to simply change the data of the current MP 40 to that of the current MP 35/I and vice versa, because that would be the best solution to have a reasonably authentic mass-issued Machine Pistol setup at BR 3 for the USA, Russia and Germany.

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in response to this long-going debate, I have created a video in response suggesting a new event order store which could solve this and reach a fair compromise:

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Just finished watching, was a bit of a drag but I got through to the end.

My counter argument though is as a new player, their whole priority should be unlocking what’s in the tech tree first.The tech tree should always be a new player’s no.1 priority before they even consider past event squads and what they have missed.

Secondly, i don’t think you mentioned the silver loot boxes in your video. Those are there to give players a chance of getting those old rewards. Keeping in mind that the less squads you have, the larger pool of squads you have to win from. This however should always be a late game decision after the player has finished their tech trees. I understand things like the BR 1 AA truck are essentially useless after unlocking everything, but having a BR lineup for every BR allows you to use old event gear and keeps the game fun instead of just sitting in a single BR.

If you are a faction main, you’re only inviting yourself for disappointment. Even if you don’t like the other factions you should at least play the others and finish the tech trees. Purely because it adds gameplay hours and allows you to use the event/BP equipment you have earned. But by all means play a single faction but you’re only going to be disappointed every time the other factions receive content.

I don’t think any player is actively gate keeping content and if you’re referring to the Stalingrad pack, the circumstances are different and the players paid for a product that they then had changed and altered against their will. So compensation for a paid product isn’t gate keeping.

Overall I agree with some points but not with an event store. Events like the most recent one where we had a choice of 6 weapons to chose from should be the proper format for minor events and they should be held frequently (every weekend imo). A rotation like this would be better than a store so that certain mains can’t just fill their whole loadouts with overpowered gear. I would literally just buy all stingers if they were permanently in a store. Missed event and old battlepass weapons are constantly returning in major events (see the current D-day event). Events should be the source for new players. As for squads, the silver boxes but only after finishing their tech trees.

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Oh? Are you threatening me? Sorry, you’re free to come and go. If Enlisted doesn’t suit your taste, you’re welcome to leave. The Waffen-SS’s early equipment was quite varied. Before the MP-38/40 submachine gun was fully mass-produced, the German army used MP-28 and MP-34 submachine guns during the Polish and French campaigns. They only started using MP-35/1 and ZB-26 light machine guns after the Balkan campaigns. As for your claim that all German units used MP-38/40 submachine guns, I think that’s a prejudice. Given the initial equipment and production limitations, it’s impossible for every German soldier to have an MP-38/40. Furthermore, those who used these submachine guns were generally non-commissioned officers or commandos; ordinary soldiers could only use single-shot bolt-action Mauser rifles or other captured bolt-action rifles as a supplement. Finally, please don’t promote Brass Rain on Enlisted. It’s pointless. Your desire to leave doesn’t mean others will follow suit. On the contrary, the stability of the Enlisted server and the event rewards bring in a lot of popularity.

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Some of this i agree with, but there is very much a bias towards “everyone should want to play br5.” I don’t care about br5, or even 4. Unlocking the whole tech tree is just a thing that happens as you play and research points are allocated to a thing you’ll never use. I am much more likely to find enjoyment in a br2 event squad than a br5 tt squad, and will prioritize my enjoyment over the idea that best high tier vehicle = most fun. To each their own, but “keep teching up to get all the best br5 gear” is very one dimensional, and isn’t at all the way i play (there are dozens of us).

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I also enjoy lower BRs, hence why I said make loadouts for every BR so you can use every reward you unlock. But if that’s the highest BR limit you want to get to (I’d still recommend unlocking the squads that come with higher BR weapons but switching the weapons out and to get the better soldiers) then by all means start spending silver on crates to try and unlock lower BR event squads. But like I said with the faction mains argument, you’re only going to be disappointed with the high BR gear that you get.

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Completely agree, however from what I seen from my newbie friends.
People actually burn all their silver in hopes of getting something out of the gamba box, it logically makes no sense to do so, especially when the player is so poor he cant afford to max upgrade his guns or use highest possible tier soldiers.
However some rewards are so lucrative (paratroopers, powerful tanks, rare guns) that they take the bait and burn their silver, just to get a Berdan II or nothing from the box.

The developers ofcourse just let it happen, because this slows down the progression of new players.
Besides, the sole goal of the developers is to keep the playerbase engaged as long as possible, these stupidly long marathon events and FOMO BP sessions serve no other purpose.

I have spent hours helping people grind just for them to blow the silver on stupid things, then explain that they want to progress in the tech tree first, buy good equipment and soldiers, level their squads to max, then worry about the gamba box.
Its a never ending cycle with each new friend.

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Agreed, loot boxes are a trap that should only be bought in the late game.

As for the marathon events, I can’t stand the format. I prefer the saboteur format where we can unlock at our own pace over a certain period. I am however happy how battlepasses are run purely because if you buy one you own all. You only have to play 10 days and finish all your tasks to finish a BP and I think that’s a decent timeframe within 35 days. Minor events are hit or miss for me but the more content the better.

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Well you can get to BR II or BR III in the TT and stop progressing and then start burning all your silver since a event squad is one more squad you can bring in to battle so now lootboxes are good also for new players. They just need to focus on BR they like and then dont care about the rest and spend all their cash in loot boxes there is no reason to play BR IV or BR V since its cancer… so better unlock whatever they like to play on BR II or BR III and spend the rest of the silver on loot boxes.

I wish there was special faction loot boxes so you can focus on the faction you like will be much better then the full random stuff you get from the boxes now. They should make faction loot boxes so I can just focus collecting my Japanese squads.

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I actually gave advice like that to people who were deadbent on making poor financial decisions.

Kinda why the BP does suck in a way.
When I have time and want to play a bit more, the BP does not really reward the player past stage 30.
The repeating stages are not really worth grinding for.

The other issue I have with the BP, is the main reward: the BP gun.
I play all factions and all BRs and yet there are many BP guns that I simply don’t use, in fact around 60-70% of my BP guns (all 4) are just sitting in my storage just to make the list of guns I need to scroll through a bit longer.

A lot of effort is put into the BP guns, imagine if that effort was spent on adding more tech tree guns and BP just gave Gold Orders to pick up old BP or event guns.

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Well in the past yes but now you have 2 event slots that can be very beneficial to fill even with a bad squad. And there is factions you can literally stay at BR I like USSR,Germany or Allies and if you are free player you put 4 squads equip them cheap upgrade them and have fun playing BR I only with Japan I wont recommend BR I since they neither have fun vehicle at this BR or fun SMG so if you wanna play Japan as a new player play BR II or III and for sure if you are a free player you dont wanna play BR IV or V since they are pure P2W.

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Yeah I will admit after level 30 on the BP it’s a bit boring and i only really use the silver to save for loot boxes. As for the weapons, I’ll always give them a go and try to fit them in one of my lineups. I enjoy making fun unique builds/lineups.

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That reminds me of my post about why ppl should NOT sell their legacy squads for a measly 10k…

Some still did it and even tried to counter argument me.

What can we do.

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Trying to help someone who doesn’t want it is foolish thing to do. Most people don’t want to be helped because it would hurt their pride.

So just let them suffer the consequences of their own decisions.

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Yes…

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Well its called Whaling you hunt them until they are extinct best way to help new players xD

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I’ll admit that I did. My counter argument: I didn’t need like 12 riflemen squads for one faction