I saw that someone mentioned Germany’s problem with the large variety of Panzer 4s, and I’d like to add some suggestions for new vehicles in BR3. The Panzer 4s are relatively good with their long guns, but their armor isn’t great. Since they’re BR3, you end up facing BR3-4 tanks, and that’s where they fall quite short in performance. The Panzer V/IV and the KW I C 756 (r) would be good candidates for BR3.
Panther with Panzer IV turret, real tank but kinda a weirdo and its not in WT so its very unlikely that we would see it.
KW I C 756 (r) is more of a BR4 tank so its also unlikely.
Axis could possible get Turan III Hungarian tank.
Finally the StuG G (late) which is supposedly going to be added for WT (according to some leaks).
Not in the warthunder not in enlisted
Very strong for BR3
In Warthunder doesn’t have any good tank options to solve the tank problem in Germany BR3 then we could have the T 34 747 (r) as an event vehicle It would be copy and paste, but the devs don’t care about that so it would be an option
I had the same idea a while back, and it would at least be different with the cupola. Another option for a BR3 tank would be the P40, which would IMO be a decent tank.
That’s a fair point; I wouldn’t complain with those options. The Turan III, I think, was a late improvement of the same, and the StuG Late with a periscopic machine gun for the commander would be great. I’d say the Hetzer would be more BR2, but if you add the same remote-controlled machine gun as the StuG, that would be good too.
The Panzer V/IV option would certainly be difficult, but I don’t know how different the other option would be from the KV2, since technically the difference would be mainly in the gun, besides the fact that in the BR3-4 you normally face the T34/85 as well.
Appreciation for the Italians would never be a bad thing, apart from the fact that it is relatively similar to the Panzer 4 in dimensions, I think there was also a conversion done by the Germans in the role of tank destroyer in the later stages of the Italian front
The problem is that the armor and penetration are very bad for BR3 so I would prefer to see it in the BR2 but without HEAT
They already put the Panzer 3 N at BR 3, and with the current matchmaking that puts you at BR3-4. The first time I used the Panzer 3 N I ended up getting destroyed at range by a T34/85, so in terms of balance…
100mm pen with HEAT which is enough against BR3 and most BR4 tanks, though yes, HEAT shells are generally bad against armour but being able to fire at enemy vehicles without needing to switch shells can be an advantage of its own.
Armour wise its not better than M4A1 Sherman but a bit smaller which can be advantage.
Anyway, I wouldnt be against it being BR2 but it probably wont last very long on that BR, before some mains ask for an uptier, mostly because BR1 tanks would struggle against it.
yeah, it has always been the most vile example of double standards.
It was moved from BR2 because a large portion of Soviet mains couldnt hit the comically obvious weak spots.
But T-28E which is even more difficult to destroy with its troll MG turrets that eat up shells was left at BR2.
The problem is that the armor is a bit strong for BR2 and too weak for BR3 lol, I hate HEAT ammo in Enlisted so I’d prefer to see it in BR2 without heat, but is my opinion
Even the Panzer 4s fare badly against those heavy machine guns, which is surreal. The only novelty of the Panzer 3 N would be its machine gun in the commander’s cupola, but other than that, nothing. Meanwhile, KV1s and KV2s freely spam from the edge of the combat zone.
I dont blame you.
HEAT sucks, bad post pen and it needs a completely open path, otherwise it will detonate before reaching the enemy vehicle.
But P26/40 has such a bad cannon, its 79mm pen at 10mm (90 degrees) so it would be completely powerless in an uptier, at which point a Panzer IV or Puma is a better option.
Unless it gets a compromise with very few HEAT shells on BR2.
That would probably be the best option
even that is only worth something in BR1-2 matches.
Beyond that, it wont do enough damage or get enough hits to do any real damage to aircraft.
Using such a machine gun against infantry is too dangerous to be worth it and most likely, your soldier has a better weapon in his pocket already if you must protect your tank from raiding infantry.
HMG like M2 is still an advantage to have since its enough to destroy APCs, bikes and other light vehicles thus getting some free XP, but LMGs really make no difference past BR2.
In my experience using Panzer 4s with short guns in BR2-3 games, Shermans are technically indestructible, so a P40 in BR2 wouldn’t be exactly unfair.
only M4A2, which is to be honest, the overall best BR3 tank since it was buffed with M61 shot.
Only downside is uptier in which will be in a bad spot against Tiger H1 and almost powerless against a Panther frontally.
Yes, the only useful option for cupola-mounted light machine guns is to use them with binoculars at least 200 meters or in places that are relatively difficult to see. The Panzer 3, for example, isn’t even capable of facing the KV1 or T34/76, the same goes for other short-barreled tanks.
Yes, that’s why Germany only got its best tanks from BR4 onwards. The first time I faced a T34/85 with my Panther was really satisfying; finally, a tank that didn’t die with the first shot it received.
