US/UK needs a true tech tree br2 rifle

  • 1917 US BR2 TT
  • 1911 Carbine Axis Event Squad
  • 1918 RSC Axis Event Squad
  • Pedersen Carbine
  • No
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Armaguerra Mod39 39 (Axis)
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Fedorov Automatic Rifle M1912 (USSR)
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M1 Carbine (US)
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Type Hei (Japan)
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Type Otsu (Japan)
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One of these things is not like the other one of these things does not belong, M1 Carbine. The M1 carbine is just that a functional carbine that often takes one to two rounds to down or kill. All other factions have at least one semi auto rifle in tech tre br2. The difference is the length of the bullet as you can see by the magazine.

Adding such a weapon to the game is jot crucial but would be interesting. All factions have a br23 and br4 10 round semi auto rifle wh7y6 is br2 us alone. The lack of a tech tree worth gun hardly stopped Japan or germany why should to stop the us from getting one.

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The Remington Model 8: A Look Back | An Official Journal Of The NRA

At Auction: Remington Model 8 Semi-Automatic Rifle

Remington Model 8 Semi-Automatic Rifle

The Winchester Model 1907 and Remington Model 8 are both fine but older weapons. Though possessing marginally larger but older bullets there power is about equal to the M1 Carbine. They come in 5 10 and 15 round magazines the Winchester 1907 15 round gun is already in the game. These weapons could be made to work but wold break immersion and hav3e little to do with the actual gun.

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  • Winchester 1907 5 br1
  • Winchester 1907 10 br2
  • Remmington 8 5 rounds br1
  • Remmington 8 10 rounds br2
  • Remmington 8 15 rounds br3
  • no
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Serial Number 1 U.S. Springfield Armory Pedersen T2-E1 Carbine | Rock Island Auction

The Pedersen as a full rifle is already in the game though not in the tech tree. it is in the game as a weapon as the Type Ko also not in the tech tree. a poor choice but there are not many better short of moving the garand to br3 which short of the br4 rifles being dropped to br3 is not needed.
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Enlisted Meunier A6 Carbine world 2.jpg
The best choice is the French 1917 semi auto rifle thousands were produced and distributed around the world by the French. She could join the M6 Carbine but unlike the M6 she could be in the tech tree as the NM6 was an event weapon being a prototype rifle.

Germany if needs it could get the 1918 RSC or 1917 Carbine both of which are rarer but better versions of the 1917. Of course Germnay being Germany i am sure they could find another low-capacity semi auto rifle in all of occupied Europe.
MAS 36 - RSC Model 1917 - Ribeyrolles 1918 en 2020 | Soldat, Arme a feu ...

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Savage Model 99
Savage Model 99F Featherweight Lever-Action Rifle .308 Win 22" - MFD ...
Winchester_Model_1895_

While not a semi auto the Winchester 1895 for the Soviets is a fast firing gun and far better than any bolt action rifle such a weapon as the Savage 99 could fill a similar role as the 1895. I would love to see more lever action weapons in general; in the game maybe even a few puimp action rifles in the game.

I love the m1 and m2 +carbine but there is a reason why the t20 and hyde were added to the game. the garand is great but there is a reason why the johnson was added. why it was moved to br3 instead of being buffed i have no idea. the m2 fills the same role at br2 as the Gustloff MP 507 at br3 yet the g41 exists. i am just lloking for a better br2 option then the m1 carbine or a ten round straight pull bolt action.

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Bonhams Skinner : Winchester Model 1907 S.L. Semi-automatic Sporting ...

A Vintage Winchester 1907 in .351 S.L.: Historical Look - Firearms News

Out of everything the Allied tech tree needs… a new tech tree BR II rifle is the last thing they’re in need of.

What do they already have…?

  • Ross Mk III - competing for the title of best bolt-action in-game.

  • No. 1 Mk III Lee-Enfield (‘SMLE’) - Cracking.

  • M1 Carbine - God-tier (only flaw is that it’s an awful weapon for AI use).

  • No. 4 Mk I Lee-Enfield - The second contender for Nr. 1 BA in the game (third being the Winchester M1895 in the Soviet TT).

The only things the Allies ‘needs’ here here is a Commonwealth scoped rifle (or two, would be nice to get both a scoped Ross and a scoped Australian No. 1), as well as a US unscoped M1903A3 (with stats similar to that of a pre-war Kar98K). These, however, are not ‘needed’ for balance reasons… just for sub-faction parity and flavour reasons.

If we ever get anything else in terms of BR II Allied TT rifles, I hope that’s because we’re recieving the Free French as another Allied sub-faction - not because the rifles themselves are needed…

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I don’t think the Allies need a new rifle at BR 2.
After the rate of fire buff the M1 Carbine became really enjoyable to use, and it’s still perfectly viable up to BR 4.

British bolt action rifles also have a very good rate of fire and don’t feel that much worse than semi automatic rifles in actual gameplay.

So I don’t really see a need for another rifle at BR 2.

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Sunn and OGG i disagree but am happy to see such a long and involved argument. just because we dont have the same opinion does not mean we dont agree on other things. two people can have different opinions on the same subject.

I would rather get the M1924 Garand or the Thompson M1923 Autorifle for TT. A 5 shot semiauto rifle could be added between the M1 carbine and the SMLE.

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A BR IV rifle for Allies must take absolute priority over a new BR2 rifle.
But I dare say that even a new Allied submachine gun at BR III should be more important too. One Thompson SMG at BR III is not enough, even if its one of the best SMGs for its BR and so new guns will likely be slightly weaker than it.

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what thompson the punisher, the annihilator lol

Maybe a Browning Auto-5 with slugs would be better?

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but its not semi auto it pump action manual and not magazine but tube fed it be worse than a bolt action rifle

Why should the US get twice the ammo capacity for their semi auto? I’d support a 5 round semi auto, that already has an advantage because it’s mag fed, for BR2 not just a BR3 rifle in BR2.

not rifle caliber but carbine caliber bullets like the m1 carbine
pedersen and 1917 are both 5 round guns
what are you talking about

The 1907 in game does 12.6 damage, which is significantly more than carbines do. The M1 Carbine does 8.8 while the VG 1-5 does 9.6 damage. If the 1907 is to be seen as a carbine it needs to deal less damage.

it shouldn’t, but dont vote for it vote for another option

Do you know why the name of this weapon includes “auto”?

Yet it does and I don’t see nerfing the damage as a likely option, thus it should be treated as a rifle not a carbine. The same as the Armaguerra which deals the exact same 13.6 damage.

again you dont have to choose it,

browning auto 5, second its still tube fed , not even stripper clip that means one shell at a time
sorry half asleep not a pupmp action but not a magazine either
5 shot tune fed

The Winchester 1907 has a detachable magazine. It can’t take stripper clips but it doesn’t need to because it has a 5, 10 or 20 round detachable magazine. The thing at the front is the charging handle.

not talking to you
no duh it is