Upgrading FNAB-43

See the other post below…there are MANY references, even Google AI cites it. Those of us on console can’t link anything here.

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change the recoil stats and move it to BR1

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Yeah, I’ll just go down to the local Fabbrica Nazionale d’Armi di Brescia office and request those 80 year old FNAB technically documents :wink:. I wouldn’t doubt Gaijin gets their tech specs the same place everyone else does…Google. :rofl:

I’d be curious to know where Gaijin got their historical documents showing that the Winchester 1866 was used in World War 2, or that the Soviets were the only faction that had access to body armor? :thinking:

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Add a separate version with this fire rate.

Id say the language barrier also plays a significant role here.
Apparently the soviet 500-600 rof regarding PPS translates to 700-800 in english.

But yes lets be historically authentic and correct, just little bit translation juice for soviets.

If I recall there indeed was more than one model mentioned in that laipublications.com article.

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well, L.A.I. publications also tested two PPS-43 submachine guns and found that their fire rate were 700 and 800 rounds per minute.

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so this is valid document regarding soviets but not pizzapasta ?

seems like it.

So it need historical documents to drop it to BR1 since all othe SMGs are better than it? At least give us the ability to swap the weapon then.

There is NO way that the Soviet Union could have outfitted thier entire army with body armour. What is more ridiculous is that when I run with my MG13 I have a run and stamine penalty…they run in body armour which would have weighed the same if not more, nothing.

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You are correct, the Soviet Union issued body armor primarily to specialized Assault Engineers, Sapper Brigades (combat engineers) and Tank Desant (tank-riding infantry). So, only a select few actually used body armor, not every damn soldier like they have in Enlisted. Every soldier who is wearing body armor should have a 20% speed and stamina reduction. :man_shrugging:

Not to mention Radiomen, as Radiomen in WW2 “DID NOT” carry secondary weapons, they carried ammo bags. It’s pretty obvious that the Dev’s didn’t do much research when they put this game together, yet, if the players want something changed apparently we have to come up with an actual certified document from the 80 plus year old weapon manufacturer themselves. :rofl:

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How’s it going now? There’s already relevant documentation. When will its fire rate be adjusted?

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What do you mean? This stuff was proven on this forum multiple times already. Just like PPS43 rpm being “incorrect”.

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Does this mean that there is indeed solid evidence?
Could we consider fixing this error in the next version?
Of course, weapons with increased firing rate can be upgraded to level 3 and used to compete with the PPS41 magazine version.
In this way, everyone will have a bright future.
Germany’s level 3 also has available weapons.

They probably just approved the proposal to buff the G41’s reload speed and damage today, so there’s currently a cooldown period and no new changes will be made for now. Everyone knows DF has extremely low work efficiency, and that suggestion took roughly 138 days to get through.

We’ve already gathered sufficient relevant data, yet there’s still no response from them. It seems they’ve already got their own plans in mind.

They probably just approved the proposal to buff the G41’s reload speed and damage today, so there’s currently a cooldown period and no new changes will be made for now. Everyone knows DF has extremely low work efficiency, and that suggestion took roughly 138 days to get through.

These changes usually take significant time to be implemented.
Take Type 100 (early) as example which used to have 450 rpm fire rate, than it was suddenly corrected alongside multiple Japanese SMGs. Many months after the suggestion.

Still a “forwarded” would be nice :face_exhaling:

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I found two videos. One is a video from YouTube:
【Laipublications】Full-auto firing of the FNAB-43, with slow-motion footage - Bilibili https://b23.tv/n9MW7l6

The other is what it would look like if the rate of fire from this video was implemented in the game:
【Enlisted】If the FNAB-43’s rate of fire was historically accurate… - Bilibili https://b23.tv/tZJjMQr

It feels like it could go toe-to-toe with the PPSh-41 (box magazine), similar to the PPS-42.
This would give Germany the ability to fight against the Soviet BR3 weapons.
This is exactly the kind of BR2 weapon Germany needed.

I’ve checked both the original YouTube video and the creator’s website.
The author states the FNAB-43 has a lightweight delayed-action mechanism, a short bolt travel (100mm), uses higher-power Beretta 9mm ammunition than standard 9mm, and has no rate limiter, resulting in a very high rate of fire.

As for why it doesn’t fire at 400 RPM, the author speculates it’s because the ammunition used was less powerful than the original Beretta rounds, causing the delay mechanism to behave differently from the original design. But he thinks this explanation is unreliable, and the 400 RPM figure is just a rumor.

The author also mentions that the “effective” weight of a lever-delayed action is not just the bolt carrier plus bolt; it must be multiplied by the lever delay ratio. Using the FAMAS lever delay ratio, the effective weight in delayed mode is roughly equivalent to an 853-gram straight-blowback bolt—slightly heavier than the Sten, but not slow enough for 400 RPM.

He also notes there are two versions of the FNAB-43: an early model and a later simplified variant.

Additionally, a YouTube user named @ekal4549 commented that his FNAB-43 fires slightly faster than 400–500 RPM, around 600–650 RPM.

Combining this information, I personally believe there are several theories for why the FNAB-43’s actual rate of fire differs from theory:

  1. The FNAB-43 is extremely rare; few people have actually fired it. Someone assumed a delayed-blowback submachine gun would fire slowly, and the rumor spread. This is the author’s view.
  2. The FNAB-43 uses a relatively precise lever-delayed system. All such semi-delayed blowback weapons share a flaw: they only function reliably with specific chamber-pressure ammunition and require tight tolerances for the delay mechanism and recoil spring. Any mechanical mismatch causes malfunctions. The shooter who reported 400 RPM likely used ammunition with incorrect chamber pressure or an overly stiff replacement recoil spring.
  3. Only 7,000 FNAB-43s were produced, and it was not widely adopted by the military. Rate of fire likely varied per batch, ranging from 400 to 800 RPM.

In my opinion, 400 RPM is completely impossible. This action cannot delay locking for that long. I personally lean toward around 800 RPM. Any lower rate is due to improper repair or maintenance.

Documentation on this gun is extremely scarce; almost no reliable historical data exists. Basic tests—Italian military trials, round count, malfunctions, 100-meter dispersion, rate of fire—are all missing. Even the original source of the 400 RPM figure is unknown. That number even fooled Ian.

I hope one day CR Arsenal or FW can find a shootable FNAB-43 and release a proper range test video.

If someone can find or reload modern ammunition matching the specifications of Italian WWII military ammo and fire it from a well-preserved specimen, that would give the true designed rate of fire. Unfortunately, the gun is so rare that only one shooting video exists online

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I wouldnt say that, if it was real, than it was on the Type 1 (earlier variant) while the Type 2 we have in game has 800 rpm fire rate, as proven by LAI publications.

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This is an infuriating weapon in game and it’s given to a Premium squad…they need to make the rof respectable or downteir it.
It’s right up there with the Japanese Type 2a.