No, I promise this isn’t some sort of schizo post.
HISTORY:
The Tokyo Arsenal Model 1927 Sub-Machine Gun was developed conceptually as a domestic equivalent of the American Thompson SMG, but relying on proven Japanese firearm systems. In particular, the weapon was capable of feeding via connected 10 round feed strips. These were similar in function to the feed strips found on Hotchkiss MGs, and subsequently the Type 38 and Type 3, Japan’s first domestic machine guns.
IN-GAME:
The Tokyo Arsenal that is currently in the game uses a 50 round drum magazine, which functions more like a belt drum. This drum contains 5 feed strips, equating to 50 rounds in capacity. According to @_DELAVR , these feed strips can theoretically be connected an unlimited number of times, like many examples of loose machine gun belts:
So, like the MG 42 before it, why not ask for a 100 round version as well?
Would you like to see the Tokyo Arsenal 100 added to the game?
- Tech Tree
- Battle Pass/Event
- Premium
- No
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That is a really good idea. It would be a great way to give the japanese a counterpart to like… the thompson 100(USA), thompson 100 (USSR), cönders smg (Germany).
Even if i would like to see it in the TT, the gun would probably fit as a perfect idea for balancing the “high capacity event smg” for the japanese too - completing it 
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Based on the photo the gun seems to used rigid feed strips like the early French machine guns. How on earth would you be able to connect a 100 rounds worth of feed strips together? Both the drum container and the curve of the feed strips are only going to be sized for 50 rounds.
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BR5 tech tree and put the regular tokyo arsenal back at BR4 where it belongs
A 50rnd SMG doesn’t cut it at BR5
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Then we should lower the m1921ac to br4
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Though I agree, I do ask. What would Germany get for br4 to counter the 1921? The 50 round coffin mag Suomi?
There’s already a drum thompson at BR 4, we don’t need another.
Kiraly basically does the job
What we can access and see in real life is already just an experimental variant, basically a prototype firearm.
Is there any more documentation available about the 100-round drum magazine?
It’d be great if we could find some.
If such records exist, DF would have grounds to add it to the game, and then they’d have to give the US a 100-round drum magazine for the Thompson as a counterpart in the tech tree.
By then the Soviets won’t be the only ones with a submachine gun that has a drum magazine over 50 rounds.
That said, those 6.2 damage water rounds are still painfully weak.
If you’re not on the Russian server, it’s better not to even bother trying them.
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They wanted new assault weapons, this is it. Add this at BR V and drop the 50 round back to BR IV where it belongs (even if you had to slightly nerf it, preferably not but I’ll take what I can get to see it back in its correct BR IV position).
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I mean isnt the Kiraly doing the job for that part?
Still think the Germans could use a second SMG option in BR IV though. We used to have more variety before they realized that they over tier a significant amount of games equipment following behind BR I.
I think that the 100-round Tokyo Arsenal is not possible until a photo with a larger drum is found, as the current 50 rounds are clearly limited by the size of the drum, and the links are curved, indicating that they were only suitable for a specific drum shape.
Additionally, I believe that it was not a belt that was used, but a group of packs, and this was done to allow the SMG to be loaded in packs without detaching the magazine. In other words, you could simply remove an incomplete pack and replace it with one or more new packs.
This.
Never made sense to put the 50 in br5. Nobody asked for that either…
But the 100 is definitely br5 and would be good for Japan…
Considering they possess no assault rifle worth of mention…
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100 rd smg in tech tree wtf are you guys smoking? oh but for germany or us you go berserk. lmao.
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I know! There’s no TT smg with 100 rounds, and shouldn’t be. This would work as a event or battlepass or premium, but definitely not tt. I know for sure that if this goes to the TT, it’ll open up the gates of other factions wanting higher capacity smgs, including the soviets
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Honestly sounds like a really fun idea and definitely the best choice for a 100 round SMG for Japan. I’d imagine due to the feed strips being somewhat rigid due to being made of metal, but still flexible enough to curve comfortably within a circular magazine, this iteration’s magazine would functionally be a really large exposed loop of feed strips; which you could see rotate through a full rotation start to end.
Due to being semi rigid metal links this complicates how the reload animation would work considering it’s not actually a single belt.
If we weren’t to just imagine up a fictional magazine to feed into the Tokyo Arsenal, and to make it so the reload isn’t just goofily loading a giant ring into the SMG, you could probably have the reload be in stages as follows.
Reload from empty
Considering that guns in enlisted start with a loaded magazine I shall detail the actions of a hypothetical animation after the last round has been fired.
- The last round fired, bolt forward, belt empty.
- The soldier keeps his right hand holding the pistol grip, with his left hand he unlinks the belt on the left side of the SMG
- The soldier then tilts the SMG to the right somewhat, as his left arm then reaches under and pulls the last belt link that remains in the magazine feed on the right hand side.
- The Tokyo Arsenal is now Empty
- Soldier continues holding the pistol grip, left hand reaches down grabs a link of 5 strips (50 rounds)
- Using left arm he feeds a full strip through the magazine well/“feed tray assembly”, 4 strips rest left of the SMG, whilst 1 strip is fed completely through the right.
- The soldier then holds the forward grip in front of where the magazine would be with his left hand.
- His right hand releases the pistol grip, whilst the left hand keeps the gun pushed against his shoulder.
- With his right arm he reaches down and grabs another 5 strips linked together (50 rounds)
- He lifts his right hand and with the end of that second belt of 50 he connects it to the full link that is pulled through on the right side.
- Finally with his right hand he connects the last two links, thus creating a loop of 100 rounds (10 links)
- Soldier pulls the bolt towards the open position and is ready to fire
Partial reload
Let’s say there any amount that remain in the SMG.
If we remain consistent in the magazine logic of enlisted and treat the full 100 round belt as 1 “mag” the partial reload shall essentially be the full reload but in reverse to unload and detach the links in two sets of 5 links (50 rounds)
Very long and punishing if poorly timed, better off just firing the entire belt if you plan to remain in active engagement as much as possible.
And yes I realise I’m saying all this for them to more than likely just take the shortcut of having it feed like any other belt despite the fact the links aren’t 1 by 1 and instead 10 by 10.
I say all this, in the instance of making it remain consistent to how this could be realistically achieved, and understand sometimes realism must be slightly omitted at times for gameplay.
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The feed strips themselves are slightly curved, and connect via hinges. The 100 round version would not have a drum, just a loose belt made of 10 of the feed strips.
