ok let’s say the germany gets panther D, D model would be more plausible, would you want panther D removed because balance since all american tanks currently in game can’t touch panther frontally
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depends on situation
I run into wall for protection
I run around it to pass it
I destroy it if possible
I run into wall to jump over it
why is this relevant with the topic?
I kinda know what you going to say so here’s the answer. Pz4 isn’t equal to jumbo, that’s obvious. pz4 or German in general need to struggle so much to kill it while jumbo whack everything easily except plane obviously, it’s about the balance
then tiger, both cant kill each other frontally
btw tiger H1, panther D, and jumbo all has the same BR in war thunder which mean these 3 are equal. just saying
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i want you to pretend jumbo is that wall, you obviously can’t just run into it so you have to go around it
also no tiger 1 still has to aim for the same weak, it’s panther that doesn’t have to. also the BR system itself is a mess with such good tanks like leo 1 is at 7,3 and the german patton is lower than the american/chinese one while being objectively better
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yup jumbo is literally a wall, a wall that can move, can kill you, and indestructible
yup I was right, read this
run around it while they keep firing me and keeping their frontal armor facing me or meet some infantry that bringing PIAT or TNT in the way then get killed. truly a perfect strategy
I said it
I explain it longer, if panther can lolpen jumbo frontal armor while jumbo cant do the same then it’s unbalanced therefore panther D isn’t fit for the role but tiger does because tiger can’t penetrate jumbo frontally and jumbo also can’t penetrate tiger frontally thus it’s balanced. also, while jumbo has weak spot in the gun port tiger has it too in the cheek it’s just as tricky as jumbo gun port
jumbo is a wall and that’s it, it has terrible AP rounds that pen 91mm of armor at a strike angle of 0 degrees while the germans get APHE with the weakest APHE shell on cannons that isn’t meant for infantry support is found on puma with 106mm of pen.
except jumbo can’t really wack everything, yeah it can do well against infantry and puma but jumbo does struggle against tanks because of the mentioned AP shells that can’t create spall.
again jumbo only has 91mm of pen not to mention the issues of the other tanks like m4a2, m8, and m5 which all can’t penetrate tiger frontally as well. so instead of adding something and creating a whole new set of problems we make the 4H into a pseudo heavy tank by giving it track armor forcing jumbo aim at weak spots as well
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Anyone debating whether this game is worth the time should know that Normandy invasion isn’t competitive, it’s a joke. Beaches shouldn’t give such advantages but in this game they seriously do, speaking from the allied tanks that can barely be killed by infantry.
The Jumbo can be killed by a flanking tank, but since the allies are attacking, flanking is a suicide mission. If you succeed, another Jumbo spawns again. You’ll be killed by allied infantry PIAT or John Rambo. By the way, trying to shoot through the Jumbo gun port at long range is like supreme archery. At close range it’s crazy because certain terrain makes the gun aim shake and shudder.
Then there’s the unattractive looking Stuart sitting in a capture zone while the German fails to damage it significantly with the Sturm pistol. So it runs laps around the Germans at 30mph. At that point, I rather use my explosion pack in the fully reddened capture zone.
Like I said earlier, the Stuart is actually more annoying as it’s faster and isn’t as threatened by axis infantry. Obviously it’s not competitive.
The only people who defend the Jumbo and lackluster German AT capabilities are the allied players who think it’s “cool” to be in a big fat tank that is almost invincible. I like to think it gives them a hard on. I’d like to have a hard on too, but I guess I can’t since my Wehrbuddies can’t hold a beach head.
Let’s say you climb a mountain to set up the perfect 50mm AT gun. It fails because at long range the 50mm can’t scratch the Jumbo from the side. Even if you have brush cover, the allies can easily see you. If you build it too close, an a20g will take care of you. So AT guns are not an option.
The allied tanks are free to bombard/kill bunkers and reinforcements. Therefore I will make my exit.
One thing I forgot to mention is the 75mm allied tank that has like a 2 sec reload, boy that’s a serious hard on.
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I will don’t argue with you, i dont say that Jumbo need to be removed, i said that it will change, i believe they do something to really balance Normandy. For example they could add better tank or new anti tank something.
You didn’t understand me, but I understand you’re a sensitive topic. But its OK. Game is under development, these arguments are normal thing that people try to discuss. In my opinion Jumbo its OK i play americans too (it is little bit OP, like CAS) but is more like temporary problem … i believe they solve the balance issues
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and pz4 80mm armor is still penetrable while Pz4 APHE cant pentrate jumbo, is it balanced? no
idk what this mean but man you seriously overstimating Pz4H APHE, enlisted APHE compeletely underpowered compared to war thunder Pz4H APHE i tried to kill stuart with it but it cant 1-hit it, in the end i need to aim for the crew and hit it several time to kill a damn stuart. the post-pen explosion is just too small and weak
uhhh so? it maybe currently has more penetration than jumbo
but can puma 106mm of pen actually penetrate jumbo 152mm sloped armor?? no
can jumbo 91mm penetration actually penetrate pz4 or puma? yes,
are these balanced? no
at least jumbo still can penetrate them and can kill them in peace by hitting the crew one by one without fearing they might kill you since they have no firepower to do so but can pz4 do it to jumbo? no, is it balanced? no
actually jumbo and M4A2 has several ammo type APHE with 104mm of pen and APCR with 139mm of pen and tiger armor are at most 100mm that obviously enough to penetrate it. you can just make suggestion to replace current solid shot with APHE or APCR then add tiger
no shit sherlock, these 2 is not tiger counterpart, jumbo is
what problem? tell me, im interested
why dont just give tiger , both heavy tank, both has only few pixel weak spot on front, both cant kill each other frontally (if the tiger angling otherwise jumbo can easily penetrate it with APCR while tiger cant penetrate jumbo), and also tiger is more iconic than 4H with track
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Stop, he’s scared of the tiger
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i’m aware that sherman and jumbo have m61 but that don’t have that shell in game, and i have no idea if they are going to change it. i also have no knowledge if 75mm HVAP were actually issued, on the other hand the 76mm m1 AT cannon did have HVAP issued to it. now what if a tiger player actually angles as the tiger is prefer for angling armor being a literal box so if you angle it just right then you’ll be completely immune from enemy tanks. now if a jumbo tried to do that then the MG port would still be open as well as opening up the 38mm of armor that is behind the tracks.
no jumbo is an assault tank, tiger 1 is a heavy tank
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there is a difference between forcing on balancing and being wanting my side to purely win just as an FYI
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why is that even concerning, just add it anyway even if it histrocally inaccurate just like some already in-game stuffs
it’ll work, just dont angle too much also not many people know that weak spot
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how about we just agree to disagree…since at this point neither of us are budging…
Jumbo isn’t balanced no matter how hard you try to defend it. The panzer can shoot the port and the Jumbo can still shoot back. Then the allied Piat comes and helps the Jumbo. The German allies can’t do anything to help the panzer. I’ve been one shot by a Stuart in the Pz4 H. That’s stupid
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it’s not like i proposed turning the 4H into a pseudo heavy tank with track armor or something
no it’s called being hit in the ammo which can and will cause a 1 shot in the tank
I’ve tried it and it doesn’t always blow the ammo., but the fact that a Stuart 37mm can pen the front of a pz4 and actually blow the ammo rack says enough
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this is likely were he shot to ammo you since the normal stuart can’t really go through the front hull and hit ammo, the stuart rhino on the other hand can go through the 4s frontally thanks to the improved AP shells it has
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Yep, that’s how it happens, and it sucks. But here’s the deal, the pz4 can knock out some crews of the Stuart, but that doesn’t stop the Stuart from firing. It’s superior fire rate eventually wins against an unlucky pz4.