Thought Exercise - What if Sweden was a faction in Enlisted?

:sweden: What if Sweden was a faction in Enlisted? :sweden:

A thought Exercise by OggeKing

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Introduction

Greetings and salutations, friends!

Did you know that the 6th of June is not only the anniversary of the D-Day landings, but also the National Day of Sweden? Yes, while you lot have been doing such dull things as “remembering history”, an entire country has been commemorating far more important matters…

Such as how we are so much better than the Danes in every conceivable regard, naturally.

Anyway, while the D-Day event is still going on, I thought: why not engage in some fun theorising about how a minor European country might appear if it were a playable faction in Enlisted?

Doesn’t that sound like fun…? No…? Well, too bad. That is exactly what I’m going to do today.

Before we begin, a brief reading comprehension test: this is not a proposal, not a request, and not a demand. It is just a silly little thought experiment. Please ration your outrage accordingly.


Basic Presentation


Swedish Soldiers in m/1910 Uniforms, outdated by WW2.

As a quick summary, Sweden would not be a BR I-V faction. This might surprise you, but equipping five full BRs, while keeping them both balanced and as authentic as possible, is not an easy thing to do for most countries during WW2 - let alone for a minor nation that never actually took part in it.

So, I have instead decided that the infantry tree would run from BR I through BR IV, while vehicles would be limited to BR I through BR III. This is because, while there is enough period-appropriate equipment to create a mostly functional infantry tech tree, Swedish vehicles of the era were rather lacklustre in terms of performance compared to what other nations were fielding. It would be difficult to field anything beyond BR III without relying on clearly post-war developments.

I will not have the space to discuss every individual weapon or vehicle, especially in detail. So, if you have questions about any specific weapon of group of weapons, I will happily answer them!

All tanks and aircraft listed here already exist in War Thunder, since almost all vehicles in Enlisted are ported from there.


Infantry

Here is what I imagine the infantry tech tree containing:

* Notes
  • *This is my own creation. Sweden only adopted one scoped rifle pattern during and before WW2, so I have included a copy of the base Gevär m/96 with lower dispersion. It would just be an unscoped sniper rifle, which is unusual and the first of its kind in Enlisted, but I do not see a better alternative.

  • **In Swedish service, the Kpist m/37-39 only used 36-round box magazines and 50-round “coffin” magazines. Finnish magazines were theoretically compatible, but there is no evidence that Sweden adopted the 20-round box magazine, nor the 40- or 71-round drums. This 20-round example exists to give Sweden something as a BR I SMG. A 24-round Kpist m/39 (just a MP-35) could also work, though Sweden only used the 32-round magazine. As a side-note, the Kpist m/45 itself could be considered post-war, but since it was developed entierly during the war, and put into production before Japans surrender, I’ve included it in the tech tree.

  • ***The Kulsprutegevär m/37 100 is a prototype version of the regular m/37 that was never adopted. Developed by Carl Gustafs Gevärsfaktori, it was a belt-fed variant of the m/37. I am unaware of the actual belt size, so I chose 100 as a round number.

  • ****Technically, this was a post-war Swedish procurement. However, it is simply an M9A1 Bazooka in Swedish service, and the M9A1 itself existed and saw service during WW2, just not with Sweden. It is included to give Sweden a handheld anti-tank option beyond BR I.

Plausible Event/BP/Premium weapons:
  • Gevär m/39 - BR II
    A Pre-War Kar98k in Swedish service, with 5,000 procured by Sweden. Chambered in 8×63mm Swedish - the nation’s “machine gun cartridge” - these were intended as light anti-tank rifles, but were quickly deemed obsolete in that role, to no one’s surprise today. It could make for a fun BR II gimmick weapon.

  • Kpist m/37 - BR III or IV
    The first SMG ever adopted in Swedish service. It was chambered in the 9x20mm Browning Long cartridge, which was abandoned early in the war by Sweden because they couldn’t import weapons capable of using it - instead switching to the standard 9x19mm Parabellum of Finland and Germany. 9x20mm was, despite its technically larger size, noticeably weaker comparet to 9x19mm, and the bullets left this gun at a mere 355m/s. Combined with a noticeable bullet drop, and lower damage, and noticeable damage drop-off, it could potentially be a BR III weapon - despite the 56 round magazine it originally came with. All m/37s in service were updated to the m/37-39 pattern, hence why it is not in the tech tree.

  • Kg m/21 - BR III
    A Swedish version of the American export M1919 BAR. Few of these would still be around by the Second World War, as efforts were made to convert them into m/21-37s, bringing them up to date with the modernised version then in service. As a unique Swedish BAR, much like the m/37, it could make for an interesting collectible.

  • Kg m/30 - BR III
    A sub-standard BAR in Swedish service. These were 6.5mm Swedish fixed-barrel FN BARs of the FN M1930 pattern. Another collectible, I suppose.
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  • Kg m/35 - BR III
    Another sub-standard BAR in Swedish service. This was an FN Model D chambered in 6.5mm Swedish.

  • Kpist m/40 - BR II - and Kpist m/40 50 - BR IV
    Sweden bought 500 M1928 Thompsons from Colt in 1940. Each gun came with four 20-round magazines and one 50-round drum. As far as I can tell, these were chambered in the standard .45 ACP cartridge.

Pistols
  • **Pistol m/07
    A licence-produced FN Model 1903 pistol in 9×20mm Browning Long, the standard pistol cartridge of Sweden at the outbreak of the war.

  • Pistol m/39
    Adopted shortly before the war, these were commercial Walther P38 pistols - known as the “Heerespistole” - which Sweden intended to make its new standard service pistol. Chambered in the newly adopted 9×19mm Parabellum cartridge, only 1,500 were delivered before Germany seized the remaining production for itself.

  • Pistol m/40*
    When the P38 supply dried up, Sweden went shopping for an alternative and settled on the Lahti L-35. Also chambered in 9×19mm. It would become Sweden’s standard and most modern service pistol during the war.


Emplacements

* Notes
  • *The image is of the gun’s predecessor, the Lvkan m/29. I could not find an image of the Pvkan m/43 where it was not mounted on a tank, which makes me suspect that it may not have had a standard gun carriage in the anti-tank role. However, the anti-aircraft version using anti-tank ammunition, as Hungary did during the Second World War, could make for a neat and unique emplacement instead.

  • **As far as I know, this weapon was only ever used in aircraft, and I know of no ground mount or ground use for this HMG.

  • ***Unlike the previous weapon, this HMG did see ground service - in Finland. It was, however, a Automatkanon m/39 built by Finland using Swedish technical information, for whatever that counts.

Why are there three alternative MG explacements? Well, choice I guess, I couldn’t decide on one - since they are all variants on American Browing MGs they are all compatible with the same tri-pod (I think). The watercooled Kulspruta m/36 is the most authentic in Army service version for WW2, the Kulspruta m/39 is meant mostly for vehicle use, and so was the even later m/42.

The 20mm Automatkanon m/40 is listed as the third HMG alternative because the weapon had a so-called “anti-tank” configuration, mounted on a tripod much like HMGs are in-game. Rather than functioning like a typical HMG, with unlimited ammunition and overheating, this “HMG” would instead fire more potent rounds in exchange for needing to reload after every 25 shots. It would also have a limited ammunition supply that an Engineer would need to refill, as with AA and AT guns in-game.


Ground Vehicles

* Notes
  • *The Stridsvagn m/42 DT was a prototype vehicle designed in 1944 and constructed in 1945. It was deemed unsuccessful during testing in 1946.

  • **Developed in 1942 and ordered in 1944, but not delivered until 1946.

As for the Stormartillerivagn m/43, I could not decide whether to use the 1944-delivered version or the 1946-delivered version, as both were developed and entered production during the war. So, assume that both are foldered here: the 1944 version at BR I, and the 1946 version at BR II.

Plausible Event/Premium vehicles
  • Stridsvagn m/31 - BR I
    The first tank in the world to feature all-welded construction. A cool piece of development history, not just for Sweden.
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  • Stridsvagn m/38 - BR I
    A lighter m/31. It is just worse, actually. Could also serve as a starter tank.

  • Stridsvagn m/39 - BR I
    A slightly upgraded m/38, with the same hull but an improved turret.

  • Lago I - BR I
    A tank developed for export to Hungary, and the predecessor to the Stridsvagn m/42 in Swedish service.

  • Pvlvv fm/42 - BR I
    A mobile anti-aircraft tank armed with a 20mm Bofors automatic cannon.

  • Lvtdgb m/40 - BR I or II
    The Swedish milk truck. Lightly armoured and carrying a single 40mm Bofors automatic cannon.
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  • Spj fm/43-44 - BR II/III
    An open-topped vehicle mounting a 150mm gun. It has more armour than the Japanese Navy Gun tank, but is open-topped and has a fixed turret. I could see it being placed at either BR II or BR III.
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Aircraft

The Swedish air tree would be a rather unusual one. The main thing to note is that its fighters would carry no payload whatsoever, with the sole exception of the Jaktplan 26, which would only have two 50kg bombs. This would be a major drawback for the air wing of this hypothetical nation, balanced only by the proportionally heavier payloads of its attackers.

In general, Swedish attackers would carry not only more bombs than their peers at the same BR, but often larger ones as well.

Plausible Event/Premium aircraft
  • Jaktplan 11 - BR I
    A CR.42 Falco in Swedish service. It would be almost identical in performance to the Jaktplan 8A, except that its two machine guns are heavy machine guns.

  • Jaktplan 9
    A batch of P-35 aircraft purchased from the United States. Only 60 of the 120 ordered were delivered before the US entered the war, with the remainder instead taken into American service.
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  • Bombplan 3C - BR I or II
    A slow tactical bomber carrying four 250kg bombs. Easy pickings, but deadly if left alone to bomb.
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Conclusion

That ought to be enough for an entire faction. Yes, the pickings are rather meagre overall, even compared to Japan in-game, but that was to be expected. However, if Sweden also included Denmark and Norway as sub-factions - or if Sweden itself were a sub-faction of the Allies - then it could actually function as quite a fun and interesting flavour choice, thanks to the unique weaponry, vehicles, and emplacements involved.

Anyway, that is enough theorising. This was a fun experiment, and I hope you enjoyed the results. As I said before, I will happily answer any questions you may have; I have become something of an autodidact in Swedish WW2 military equipment by now.

Thank you for reading this theoretical Enlisted faction concept for the neutral nation of Sweden - and remember: success at brinkmanship means never having to be tested in the first place.

Signed,
Lt. Ogge King, 3rd Experimental Tea Infusion and Small Arms Appreciation Company, Home Guard (Reserve),
temporary posting at the Military College of Sweden,
Gud bevare Konungen.


P.S.

I have not forgotten about my Rider II suggestion… it is coming, I am just lacking inspiration at the moment… well, not for this^.

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What kind of maps would Sweden have? Would it just reuse eastern front maps or could we get purely fictional battles such as Sweden map from warthunder

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I think Sweden should fight the Japanese.

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Since it would be a alt-history faction, we got quite a few options. Why alt-history…? Because how else would Sweden even be a Enlisted faction, even within a hypothetical scenario?

Anyway, I see four possible campaigns:

  1. April Crisis / Operation Weserübung

1940 alt-hist invasion of Sweden by Germany, done along side that of the invasions of both Denmark and later Norway. This would be a campaign fought in southern Sweden, so Scania and Götaland/Gothenland. Map-wise, this would mean Swedish farmlands mixed with leaf and pine forestry. Possibly an urban+coastal fortification map in either Malmö, Gothenburg or Karlskrona (the historically most important naval base for Sweden).

  1. Winter War (if Sweden joined)

If, in theory, there was an independent Finnish sub-faction within the Axis, then they could fight along side an Allied Swedish sub-faction in Karelia, in the typical enviornments found there.

  1. Liberation of Finnmark (joint Swedish/Soviet invasion of occupied Norway)

Sweden sent so called “Polistrupper” (“Police-Troops”), which were Norwegian and Danish citizens trained and armed in Sweden. With the threat of Soviet preassure extending into Norway, Sweden sent the Norwegian portion of these troops back into Norway. In this alt-history scenario, the Swedish Military joins them in this expedition. This was actually planned - for later, if Germany didn’t surrender eventually - now we just preempt it. Far-North Atlantic maps, mountains, hills, villages, sparse woods.

  1. Operation Save Denmark

This would be a campaign where Sweden tries to take either occupied Sjealland or Borgholm from Germany. It was actually a planned operation by the Swedish military during the final days of WW2 (along side a Operation Save Norway). However, the planned launch date never came, because Germany surrendered just one and a half weeks before it would launch. Anyway, terrain would probably be one Copenhagen city map, and then island invasion map of Borgholm.

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We already got enough Nazis, why do we need more Scandinavian ones? Add the Fins before Swedish surrender monkeys.

  • State Relations: During World War II, officially neutral Sweden made trade concessions to Nazi Germany, including iron ore exports. The Swedish government and state church also enforced measures to appease Germany, such as refusing marriages involving Jewish refugees. [1, 2]
  • Sympathizer Networks: Historians estimate that tens of thousands of Swedes were members or sympathizers of pro-Nazi organizations during the 1930s and 1940s. High-profile figures, including IKEA founder Ingvar Kamprad, had documented affiliations with early Swedish fascist movements. []

Sweden has been a liberal democracy since 1911…?

Also;

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I’d also appreciate it if you didn’t lecture me about my own country’s involvement during WW2 - I teach it for a living.

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Ball bearings and Iron I read history as well. They helped prolong with war for Germany. But, I am one of the few Americans who understand Russia won WW2 with our help. The staggering body counts prove that. Our resources help the USSR survive. Imagine if we just pulled back a little and Germany went East instead of the battle of the Bulge? That was Mongol level warfare. Russia was able to win with the descendants of the mongols. You needed complete savages who have no mercy or fear to destroy the Nazis. Russia’s war strategy was crazy insane. Cannon fodder was a real thing. They did not care.

Ixusss… you’re usually a rational fellow, can you explain to me what is going on…?

I feel like you’re derailing quite a bit here… perhaps take a breather, get a cold beverage of your choice and come back with more humour, there’s a good chap?

No, I am just saying the Swedes would be Axis. Only that. And if we needed new factions, how about the Far east? Indians, Far East Asians, Chinese, Fins, etc etc. I am only literally saying verbatim what a historian said about Russia. Also I have been to lots of those places in Europe. I also lived off the Death Railroad. It was about 200 yards from my house (The Bridge on the river Kwai even though it is not the real bridge). Really fun train ride through the jungle to Sai Yok (Some of the best Thai style sausage in the country! Like a Thai style italian sausage).

It would not.

Before 1945, Sweden would only have entered the war if;

  1. War was forced upon them.

This would have universally have been by Germany as the aggressor.

  1. If Sweden had joined Finland in the Winter War.

No one would have called this “the Axis”, not during the Winter War. Lets not forget that the Germans and the Soviets were allies by that point. There’s an important note to be made here that Swedish military procurement from Germany in late 1939 to early 1940 was greatly hampered by Swedens closeness to Finland - Germany did not want to be seen by the Soviets to be aiding Finland via a proxy.

Another important historical note about the Winter War - Britain and France were both supporters of Finland, viewing the Soviets as a half-contestent due to their invasion of Poland.

As for 1945, the Swedish Military had active plans to invade occupied Denmark and Norway on the side of the Allies.

No matter how you slice it, Sweden would never have joined the Axis. The historical record just doesn’t bear this out.

I am still not advocating for anything…

This is just a thought experiment.

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If we are going down the Alternative reality route, I would like the possibilities extended with outlandish options:

  1. Swedish civil war: A conflict similar to the Spanish civil war, sponsored by USSR and Germany, it would start in 1939 and end in 1946.
    Three factions:
  • Swedish royalists led by Prince Gustaf Adolf, closely allied with Germany.
  • popular front (made up of leftist, but unofficially under full communists control) and would secretly cooperate with royalists until operation Barbarossa.
  • republicans
    Three way civil war where factions change who they are fighting based on global politics and power balance.
  1. Sweden joins Axis and Swedish army is deployed in Finland.

  2. Sweden does not ally Germany, just conquers Norway and Denmark before Germany does, just for the love of the game.

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A civil war would have been… unlikely, in the late 1930s Sweden. The “best” chance for a Swedish civil war would have been during the 20s, if the social and economic reforms of the Social Democratic party somehow failed or were opposed violently. But, by that point the conflict would be outside the scope of Enlisted.

Now we’re heading into compounding alt-history. Swedish entry into the Continuation War might actually have happened - if - Sweden had first joined in during the Winter War.

This is just guesswork, we have no idea how a Sweden that was impacted by a brief war with the Soviets might feel about the Winter War’s outcome - what that outcome might look like is already speculation.

Not impossible… just behind several layers of compounding changes to the historical time-line, rather than just a single and plausible change as with the others.

Map-wise, this would be identical to Winter-War maps, with perhaps a Leningrad map now included as well - or should I call it “Nyen” instead…? Mehehehehehe… :sweden: :sweden: :sweden:

Stormaktstiden is back in full swing, I see. :laughing:

Funny, but highly unlikely… 1939 Sweden was not prepared for a offensive conflict, and the population (and by extension, the common soldiery) would have been greatly opposed to such an adventure.

Though, maps wise, this would be indestinguishable from any maps for Operation Save Denmark or Norway, or any Liberation of Finnmark campaign - so you got that going for you.

I would still think that Denmark and Norway would be better of as sub-sub-factions of Sweden, who are in turn nominally part of the Allies.

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sw_tgdgb_m40_lv
He’s waiting…

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i think we should add a swiss faction too

would see the same action

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If there’s demand for it, I could make a what-if Swiss faction as well.

Will not be

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I really want the APC and Kpistm/45 and 21A-3 but you have missed :

Landsverk L-180 - Wikipedia

Very nice armored car hope they add it to enlisted.

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Not missed. It is not in War Thunder sadly, as far as I am aware.

It was a limitation I set on myself when making this theoretical faction, only vehicles that already exist in War Thunder would be included. I wanted the veneer of my hypothetical faction being realistic - because that’s almost universally how vehicles are added to the game.

Of course, that was not at all a requirement in reality, just a limit I set on myself when I made the project.

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Its a nice vehicle would have been better reward then the armored car we got from the current event.