They Just Killed BR V - And Turned Paid Weapons Into Trash

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I’ll try to keep it short: ARs for some factions got turned into absolute garbage. We’re talking endgame content here.

Look at Germany’s tech tree at the top end — what do you actually have left? STG-44, Király, MG42-100.

STG is straight-up worse than the AS-44. AS-44 is basically a reskinned STG but better — datamined stats prove it, go check yourself. MG42-100 is a solid LMG, sure, but it’s not light. You can play from cover with it, but storming anything? Good luck. SMGs? In the grind, only Király at BR IV — nothing good at V. Semi-autos? G43, but from my clan war experience, I’d take an SVT-38 over the G43 any day.

Bottom line: right now there’s zero motivation for a big chunk of players to even touch BR V Germany. Why bother? Just for KTH? Their planes are worse than USSR or US — that’s pretty obvious.

So a new player with no premiums, no donate, no G.O., no BP — why would he grind Germany at all? He’s gonna be stuck playing against better-armed enemies by default.

Now flip to USA: M2 Carbine didn’t get touched by the nerf. So you can literally give 9 guys M2s and play slightly worse than old T20 squads but better than literally anyone else on other factions. Add to that the Meteor, god-tier planes, rocket tank spam, or just regular tank spam.

Japan? Now they’ve got literally nothing. Tokyo Arsenal SMG, Type-100 LMG (which sucks), Type 2A (20 rounds) — it was always trash. Tanks? Best they’ve got is prototype Tiger or Ho-Ri — take it or leave it.

USSR? No god-tier tank, but best small arms in the game + body armor. AS-44 is better, RD-44 assault rifle you can actually run and gun with, Fedorov got nerfed but barely noticeable. RMN has no real competition. Arisaka mortar? Yeah, let’s be honest — it sucks. Tu-2S bomber is straight-up gorgeous. And AVT-40 is pretty much the only select-fire rifle left (besides G43 Kurz) that can still do what it did pre-nerf.

The game gives zero motivation to stick with one faction. Grind takes forever, tech trees are full of garbage, so why play the “loser” faction at all?

People are gonna start dropping to lower BRs. Queues are gonna get longer. Who are Americans even gonna fight? Then everyone drops lower — and guess what, the situation down there isn’t much better. Best weapons at BR III are locked behind one faction’s tech tree grind anyway.

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Select fires also had some similar issues. These issues were already preexisting but just pushed under the carpet due to the boring dominance of select fires. No one thought when suggesting a br 5 rework that it was gonna be simple or even good the first iteration.

Now tell me are the issues you have with this rework fundamental flaws or things they can fix while still pushing this new meta?

Also next time when asking ChatGPT for a response pls ask it to make it short and sweet

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Ran the response through AI and this is what it said:

It reads like a real person who is knowledgeable and organized, possibly someone who writes a lot or has experience discussing this topic online. If AI was involved, it would likely have been lightly edited or structured — not purely generated

Think u owe this chap and apology, if u are capable of doing this

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The old balance wasn’t great — I’ve been here since the 2021 launch, so I know exactly how it was — but at least it offered some kind of balance.

These new changes are straight-up going to kill BR V for several factions. Because for the others, they either didn’t touch the weapons at all, or just straight-up forgot about them / skipped them entirely.

It’s gonna end up with a ton of negative feedback from the community — I’m basically 100% sure of that.

They’re trying to force the meta onto assault rifles, but they didn’t even bother balancing the assault rifles themselves properly. End result? Total clown show.

I’m not a native speaker. I know English (and French too, though worse), but I don’t want to waste extra time trying to phrase everything perfectly without a translator. There’s no point in that for me.

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If we’re just nerfing tech tree items it is P2W. The strongest weapons entirely and completely unaffected by any balance changes except buffs would be locked behind premium content. That would make it P2W.

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Our country has a huge cult following around World War II, practically a second state religion, as Deckard can attest, because the war profoundly affected us all; all my ancestors fought in World War II. And China has largely adopted Soviet culture. Therefore, games with this theme will always feature a huge number of people and countries from former Soviet zones of influence.

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The ai told me the ai wasn’t ai!
Lol

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fair, I am just saying that a squad is only as good as its player, so even if u were to nerf a TT weapon and still give a goated premium squad to a bad player, I still hold that the better player coul take them out

edit: I play BR2 a lot with bolt actions, and if u cant aim then u cant aim, maybe at BRV (which I also do play), which is more like a point and shoot FPS shooter, some weapons are P2W, but still, if u know the correct flanking routes and meta to counter, then any player with a premium squad can be countered

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None of these are actually fundamental problems with the change. At worst these are growing pains. These can all be fixed with further patches. Change will always be rough, the merge was a clear example of that. But just cuz it’s rough doesn’t mean it’s not a good change

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I don’t wanna brag or anything, and thanks for the support @KRIEG_MASCHINE-psn :muscle:, but on the other side of the forum I’m apparently a pretty decent writer, bit of a jokester, all that good stuff.

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Just a lot of em dashes paragraph separations and big statements all of which are ai patterns. No fault to you especially if ur not an nativeEnglish speaker. I was just asking for if u were using an ai to have it shorten what it’s saying

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you trully said a fact here i even made a post on how me as a 4gb Vram player manages to run this game…

Optimize your game please - Suggestions / Other - Enlisted — official forum

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I’m not arguing that changes aren’t needed - they are, and they’re important.

But when everything is handled the way we’re seeing it, it just creates negativity. Things like removing Golden Orders, so many people leaving, the Steam release, merging campaigns, and so on… I have exactly one question: will this project survive these experiments?

Judging by the online player numbers, it doesn’t look great. Judging by the resources dedicated to development, it’s clear the dev team is small and the publisher is shifting resources to other projects.

How much time is left? A year or two? Why cut that time short and take away even a small chance for the project to grow?

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I miss gold orders so much, i remember u were able to use gold to buy gold orders and i equipped an entire assaulter squad with Condors MG lol

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Steam players only account for like 5-10 percent of players. This is confirmed from a replay scrape in August.

And you still haven’t told me the big problem with the br 5 rework. Just minor problems that can definitely be patched in.

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tbh i expect this game to live for 4 years more but not in the state we want it to

the numbers will always be on the same fking place if developers doesnt listen to feedback propelly…

sometimes i wonder if this forum is really for suggestions or perhaps is just a place where enlisted players hang out

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Both the select fire recoil nerf and assault rifle buff were widely requested across multiple platforms including this one

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ngl I will keep playing / spending money on enlisted because other WW2 shooters just don’t deliver the experience I want from a game.

In HLL, which I have played a lot, it is overall too immersive, to the extent where my gameplay experience is ruined. I always want a more arcade experience after work, because if I wanted to die 20 times from stray artillery shells, snipers, tanks and the MLG clans which play HLL, I would not have picked up the game at all lol

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Okay, let’s say we don’t have exact info on this — and you don’t either. That’s fine.

Console + Chinese launcher + Gaijin launcher combined might give anywhere between 15,000–20,000 players.

But then explain to me: why is there no real interest in the game?

  • Look at Wordstat trends
  • Look at YouTube / content about the game
  • Look at the official Discord — there’s no active online presence

Even the most popular Enlisted streamer barely pulls 30–40 viewers.

Go to YouTube and filter Enlisted content from the past year. Can you find a single video (not a short) that got more than 300k views? And I’m not talking about videos from War Thunder partners. Try checking just in the last month — there’s simply no interest in the project.

Back when the first zombie event happened, they published stats — since then? Nothing. Zero.

So even though we don’t have open data, all the indirect signals make it clear: people just aren’t interested in the game anymore.

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