The most important thing we should never see

In short: Repair cost like system. Please never add this war thunder system, as it just punishes people for playing.

I would like to add that I fully support the new tech tree idea, as its the only way forward to make an expandable game. Even the merging of maps will work. I believe it has been proposed and maybe even mentioned in the devblog, but all we need is a tiered gear system/BR for gear.

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:shushing_face:
don’t give em any ideas

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Repair cost is shit.
But I have some other ideas:

  • Real gun cost - STEN 10 times cheaper than Thompson, MP-40 3 times cheaper than StG. That will allow make pre-mass-prodoction and mass-production guns (like MP-38 and MP-40) the same. You can spend your time to unlock cheaper one or spend more money to buy early version.
  • Ammunition and equipment cost - so each time you use grenade/mine - pay for it. Each time you empty mag - pay for it. This will make BAs more viable, reduce ridiculous grenade and mine spam and all spam overall.
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Im more amazed that you think warthunder repair cost or something like that wo impact on the squad management can work here…

Repair cost is shit, period… made WT a plain frustrating experience using late BR tanks.

Since Enlisted wants to use WT like matchmaking… any type of repair cost would also be shit. Ammunition cost as well.

It would probably mean low tier stuff would still be usable, but it would also mean that end tier things would become a no no…

Which would nullify the ENTIRE point of such matchmaking, as veterans using cancer loadouts responsible for this new mm need in the first place (3-4 assaulters squads, 2 gunners and rest vehicles)…
Would all go back using starter equipment and proceed to… slaughter newcomers, which is what this new mm claims to prevent (granted, this new mm won’t help newcomers much anyway, they will still get slaughtered.)

There must not be any cost to use equipment, period.

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So that will make all soviet equipment extremely cheap so no
Imagine how much PPSh’s you could buy with that system

Not at all, guns have limited types of calibers, and grenades are the same for all levels.
Doesn’t matter low-ranks or high-ranks, players shouldn’t stupidly dumpfiring everywhere or spam grenades.

STEN and MP3008 are joke for you?
And PPSh isn’t that good.

That I agree.

But we both know if DF implemented a cost to use system, it would be related to BR tier of said item…

Caliber already doesn’t mean anything anymore in Enlisted. Devs tweak damage values how they feel. (Mp38 vs mp40, ppd38 vs ppsh…)

Thats the whole point of my idea:

And ofc this will need test (alpha when?)

Why just stopping here with WT transformation?

PPSh isn’t good? Are you high?
It’s super strong imo and I use it frequently
It’s just that soviet doctrine revolved around making things as cheap as possible. Which will make playing soviets very cost efficient and bring unbalance

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Did you read literally next point?

If you will spend whole mag to 1 person - congrats, you earn nothing.
If you will shoot accurate - thats not op gun, thats skill

That sounds like a punishing system

no thank you

*cough Heroes and Generals *cough

Why spamming nades and wasting ammunition should be rewarded in ww2 “historecaly acurate” game?

It definitely should not.

Sadly, next draft system point to just that. Since it will be meta vs meta, those winning will be tryhards, who spam as much as they can… there won’t really be mixed approaches as the system will discourage it. (Unless BR is the sum of everything brought and not merely highest tier piece.)

All I wanted was keep using my Chauchat squad from time to time… :sweat_smile:

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So, why not to make this system?
It will encourage sweatlords to adapt, and invent less spammable, yet more skillful tactics.

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Because then, why make such mm (br based) in the first place… a tier based mm, will not help newcomers, nor will it deter sweatlords, which is why those sweatlords are acting like yes men about this draft: they will keep spamming meta like before, only they will find more opponents.

In truth, your spam penalty suggestion WITHOUT tier restricted equipment BR, would work.

Long ago I suggested something very simple that would help newcomers and reduce spam (similar effect to your suggestion): restrict the amount of meta squads one can bring to 1 (assaulters, flamethrowers, gunners… you get the idea) to force ppl into using less cancerous, more diversified loadouts (more riflemen squads), and give a breather to newcomers.

Needless to say, the same yes men wanting the new system without any question were against that, then…

In tier based MM you can spam as well, using low-tier equipment.
Even if ammo and grenades will be cheap, its cool psychological factor, that shot ammo was yours.