The BR5 in Germany needs to be strengthened

Germany is gradually becoming the weakest faction at BR5. I know this may sound controversial, but it is the harsh reality we have to face: Germany is losing both its advantages and its unique identity.

Let’s start with infantry weapons. Admittedly, there are differences between the fully automatic rifles of each faction, but they are not very significant. When it comes to assault rifles, the strongest one may still be debatable, but the weakest is undoubtedly the STG-44. This German assault rifle seems to combine the shortcomings of all other weapons: it lacks the high damage of the Fedorov rifle to compensate for its slower rate of fire, and it also lacks the high rate of fire of the Haider M1944 to make up for its lower damage. In short, the STG-44 has neither a distinctive character nor sufficient power. German anti-tank weapons are equally homogenized and lack identity. Why not offer some historically accurate, or at least more distinctive, options? For example, the Panzerschreck, the American Super Bazooka, or the Soviet “Fist 150” (by the way, Soviet forces did capture weapons of this type, although they were never delivered to German units). As for machine guns, the German MG series performs decently, but at BR5 it struggles to make a real impact during offensive operations.

Now let’s look at vehicles. Germany either suffers from weaker stats or an incomplete lineup. At BR5, most players can only field one top-tier tank. Veteran campaign players might be able to squeeze out two, but what about the United States and Japan? The US can rotate three tanks: the M26E1-1, M6A2E1, and M26T99. Japan can also rotate three: the Prototype Type 5 Gun Tank, the New Prototype Gun Tank, and the Type 6 Heavy Tank. Germany, on the other hand, only has two options: the Tiger II H, the Tiger II P, or the Ferdinand. We simply cannot match the three-tank rotation that other nations enjoy. This means American tanks can afford multiple mistakes, while Germany can afford only one.

The air situation is even worse. The American F-80, the British Meteor F.3, and the Japanese Kikka all outperform the Me-262. Whether in air combat or ground support, German jet fighters are clearly at a disadvantage. The Do-335 is actually an excellent attack aircraft—honestly, if it were given to the United States or Japan, it would perform even better. But for us? Because the Me-262 is too weak to contest air superiority, the Do-335 often becomes a disposable asset, usually shot down after its first bombing run, or even before it has a chance to drop its payload.

At BR5, Germany currently faces the following situation:

  • Against the Soviet Union: They dominate urban maps, where our tanks struggle to perform effectively. Backed by body armor, powerful assault rifles, and strong fully automatic rifles, their infantry has the strongest ground combat capability in the game.
  • Against the United States: We not only face large numbers of American tanks that can more easily threaten or even destroy the Tiger II and Ferdinand, but also have to deal with bombs and rockets from enemy airstrikes. Moreover, because our Me-262 performs poorly in air superiority fights, few players use it for air combat anymore. Their assault rifles are better, and their Stinger machine gun can go toe to toe with the MG42-100.
  • Against Japan: Even our Axis allies have better fully automatic rifles, stronger fighters, and a fictional tank destroyer that outperforms the Ferdinand.

To be honest, Germany’s only remaining advantage over the other three factions is the Tiger II. But just as in history, a single powerful tank cannot save an empire on the brink of collapse. Germany’s current situation feels similar to Germany’s top-tier matchmaking in War Thunder: superior alternatives are everywhere, and we have lost our uniqueness. These days, the United States has basically become an “upgraded version” of Germany—more fun to play, faster to progress, and more balanced. If you want heavy tanks, American tanks may be slightly less formidable than the Tiger II, but you will not get bombed the moment you leave spawn, and most of the time American tanks do not even have to face the threat posed by the Tiger II. On infantry, if you want a strong assault rifle, the Haider M1944 is clearly superior to the STG-44, offering similar damage with a much higher rate of fire. In terms of anti-tank capability, the United States even has access to the German-made RPzB.43 recoilless rifle. In aviation, the United States fields two jet fighters with superior performance. So where is Germany’s uniqueness? We used to be known as the all-around faction, but the United States has now surpassed us in that regard. We also do not stand out in any single area: our infantry is weaker than the Soviets’, our tanks cannot leverage their strengths on most BR5 maps, and our aircraft lag behind those of the United States and Japan. We lack distinctive gameplay, unique equipment, and clear strengths. What Germany needs is a buff at BR5, not the status quo. We need more recognizable and powerful fighters, as well as better infantry equipment.

Here are some suggestions:

  • Aviation: Introduce the Me-262A-1/U1 or C-1a variant, or allow the Me-262 to equip R4M rocket pods.
  • Infantry: Give Germany the MKb-42(H) with a 30-round magazine or the Scottish naval rifle, or simply increase the damage of the STG-44.
  • Throwables: Add cluster anti-tank grenades based on modified M24s, or add PWM anti-tank grenades.
  • Engineering equipment: Give us the HHL magnetic anti-tank mine.
  • Anti-tank weapons: It would be perfectly reasonable to give Germany the Panzerschreck.
  • Tanks: Fill the gaps in the armored lineup with event or premium vehicles, such as the Tiger II Sla.16, Jagdtiger, or Sturmpanzer IV “Brummbär.”
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Sounds like someone is upset germany is no longer able to bully the u.s.

Of course you’d suggest the jagdtiger. Nothing in the game can penn it. Germany is also in fact capable of running 3 br5 tank squads. You so casually glazed over the tiger premmy squad, while simultaneously bringing up the rocket pershing premmy squad (that has horrid armor ontop of it’s very easy one hit kill on the rocket pods). The me262 is definitely better than the kikka, but it doesn’t even matter because they don’t fight.

Don’t forget about the br4 mkb 42 event ARs. They are arguably the best in game, even at br5.

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  1. Fedorov rifle has to be a select fire, it’s too powerful for an AR and uses a full-power cartridge, not an intermediate cartridge. The AS-44 is the counterpart of intermediate cartridge chambered German assault rifles.
  2. No way they add the Jagdtiger, it’s weapon is too strong against both infantry and vehicles, and its armor too thick
  3. Germany already has the MKb42(h) (give it a bayonet or downtier it to BR IV). Also, the Scotti Naval Rifle is already in the game, as a BP AR.
  4. Add real demolition packs for all nations: USA and Japan satchel charges, Germany the M24x6 bundle, the Soviets the RGD-33x5 bundle.
  5. The RPzB-54 and RPzB-54/1 are already in the editor mode, they perform the same as the shieldless RPzB-54 (incorrectly called RPzB-43 due to logistical issues) because they use the same ammo, it just has a non-ballistic protective shield that obstructs the visibility of the gunner.
  6. The Sla.16 engine was put in trials, but never produced or installed on a tank in service. I don’t think many players would like to face a Tiger II that is not only hard to penetrate, but also more agile than the regular version.
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:scotland::scotland:🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Jokes aside, I think Germany BR5 is doing very well. Tiger II is still the best tank in the game.

What would new grenade even do compares to already existing ones ? Germany already has every available grenades including impacts and WP ones.

What would the Panzershreck offers that the Ofenrohr cannot do ? I mean, in the end they are firing the same rockets and the Ofenrohr is perfectly capable of dealing with any tank encountered.

More plane ? Why not, sure German planed are still behind allied ones I guess.

It’s a BP AR actually.

Really? Aight, I’ll fix that part

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I’m not asking for Germany to dominate every other nation. What I want is for BR5 to feel relatively balanced across all factions, with each one having its own identity, instead of letting either the United States or Germany become the single dominant force. You might interpret my point as wanting Germany to be able to bully the US at will, and I can certainly understand that different players see things differently.

As you said, the MKb42(H) is strong, and I agree. But you can’t realistically expect every player to field an entire squad, or even multiple squads, of it for their assault teams. And would you really consider bringing the German BR4 Tiger squad into BR5 appropriate? Like the Tiger E, it lacks sufficient protection and firepower, and in some respects—especially anti-infantry work and supporting advances—it may even be weaker than the Type III N. I wouldn’t treat it as the optimal anti-tank solution either.

Is the Jagdtiger really unbeatable? Like the Ferdinand and the Tiger II, it still has to deal with aerial threats and the ever-present danger of enemy anti-tank weapons. Because it has no turret, it is almost helpless against close-in infantry, just like the Ferdinand. Its slow reload also makes it difficult to handle simultaneous threats from infantry and tanks alone, much like the IS-2. And unlike the Ferdinand, the Jagdtiger lacks the same ability to withdraw, so when faced with combined pressure from aircraft, infantry, and tanks, it struggles to escape.

As for which jet is worse, the Me-262 or the Su-9, that is still up for debate—but neither is an outstanding fighter. The Me-262 suffers from poor turn performance, and its four cannons behave almost like slow, heavily dropping “potato launchers,” making it far from ideal in air-to-air combat. However, if you treat the Me-262 as an attack aircraft, I would argue it is the best one available: its cannons are strong against ground targets, and its bombs are highly effective. But as an air-superiority fighter tasked with protecting teammates in the sky, its cannon performance and airframe limitations clearly put it at a disadvantage against Allied jets such as the Meteor F.3.

You don’t have to agree with me, and if I’m wrong, please point it out. But right now, Germany truly does fall behind the US and the USSR in infantry combat, and its vehicle lineup is weaker than that of the United States—excluding individual tank performance, where Germany’s “girls” have already done quite well.

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I’m a Chinese player, so please excuse any awkward phrasing or translation issues in my message.

What I’m suggesting is that the MKb42M with a 30-round magazine and the Scotty Naval Rifle could be added. I’m not insisting that the Jagdtiger specifically must be added; I’m just using it as an example to show that Germany could also receive some premium or gold vehicles to round out its top-tier lineup, similar to how the M26 T99 fills that role for the US. Other possible options could include the Ferdinand/Elefant or the Tiger II with the Sla.16 engine.

It would also be helpful to give Germany an aircraft that can at least compete with Allied planes. It doesn’t have to be overpowered; even a slightly weaker option would be acceptable, since the Me 262 currently isn’t strong enough to perform well

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Wait I could of brought a BR5 TD with my Tiger 2?

I’m a Chinese player, and since I’m using an AI translation tool, there may be some translation errors or mix-ups with weapon names. For example, the MKb42M might be mistranslated as MKb42(H), or “Scotty” could be incorrectly rendered as “Scottish.” If there are any issues, I’d be happy to accept corrections and feedback.

Germany BR 5 is fine.

AVS-36 20/Fedorov rifle 25 combined with body armor definitely causing a balance issue(regardless of terrible playerbase of BR 5 soviet, there’s a reason that every competitive players considers this set up as the best in the game and pretty much only running them), but i think that’s just the body armors being completely unfair and disturbs the damage interactions between the guns and soldiers on top of the 35% vitality perk. So removing the 10% damage reduction on the body armors should be the solution instead of buff BR 5 germany. And for the sake of Japan as well. Type hei-auto requires 2 body shots even at point blank range to down a soldier with 35% vitality with the body armor. Even more miserable on lower BR where low damage semi-auto rifles and SMG takes 1 more shot to down a soldier with vitality and body armor than they supposed to be and then sometimes it would even take 2 more shots with SMG if the range is far enough.

As for the interactions between BR 5 USA, i only have one problem. F-80A-5 shouldn’t get 2x 1000 lbs, that’s it. Other than that, i think it’s fair games.

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That never existed in reality, so they definitely won’t add it.

Abouth this he shouldn’t complain abouth the Tigers II H because on WT they got nerfed the Lost 100 of HP and the Max speed got reduced to 39km/h
Anyway Who complain that he can’t he spam vehicle cycling XD

Abouth the armor soviets should get It deleted and changed with swords like Japan that would be fair I just don’t care abouth the armor I kill soviets that carry It with no problem there is people wanting It on the backpack slot but i don’t think thats a good idea because is dumb literally sacrifice a ton of ammo or a backpack for a dumb plate that gives 10% damage reduction they would probably increase the damage reduction a ton of they do that

Sla 16 might be better than jagdtiger

Just make fg42 can use bayonet

Devs lost the meaning of balance long ago… believe it or not I believe germany is the only nation without powercreep(except ferdinand). and just because other factions gets powercreep doesn’t mean germany also should get.

Devs should rethink what they doing and hopefully start re-organizing and re-nerfing some TT stuff

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In fact, it’s fair to say that in many cases, body armor reduces the damage taken by half.
Take the Armaguerra, for example—or any of the Japanese semi-automatic rifles, or the AutoHei. Without body armor, these weapons would secure a kill with a single shot, but with armor, they require two. In other words, the time-to-kill is effectively doubled!

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Well japanese swords also don’t are fair 150% sprint speed is not fair at all and nope is not fair that for get swords on other nations you have to get them on the garbage box is hard play other nations after playing Japan because all my japanese soldiers carry swords

We are discussing body armor, not Japanese swords or American Browning Hi-Power.

Germany is fine as it is but i do agree that ARs like the MkB42(H),MP43/1,StG44,AT44 and AS44 should get a damage buff to compensate for the lower rate of fire.