Oh, it’s truly fascinating to watch. He even has two machine guns that can be used. However, I’m worried that even if it’s made, it might be deleted because it’s from the Soviet Union. They might say it’s for reasons of balance or historical reasons.
Well, I think if they could really solve this problem, the T-35 would be able to be presented as a viable option. I think it’s also because of the technical limitations of DF that it couldn’t be done. It couldn’t be that way. In areas where the human eye can’t see, the AI can take control. Otherwise, the two machine gunners behind the hidden Lvt tank could have fired on their own earlier. This can also be regarded as two tail gunners.
No it does not lol, it has 30mm max and the ammo rack has about 20mm
The first PzB-38 has almost twice as much pen necessary to oneshot the ammo rack for the T-28
And also the T-28E
So I’m pretty sure you don’t know what you are talking about.
That 30 mm of armor is litterly just the add on armor. Under it is the regular armor which if my memory serves me right is 20mm of armor. So if you add them together it is 50 mm of armor.
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I mean you can cherry pick all you like and I’m sure you can find spots on the T-26 that even an 88 might not pen, but the fact is that there is no “all-round impenetrable 50 mm” armour and most of it is literally wafer thin. Watch the video.
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For most players the 80mm of hull armor on a 3 N was to much when the armor of the turret was only 50mm so you overestimate the skill level of the average player if you assume they would not aim for the highest armored spot on a tank.
Still the partial coverage is way better than no armor at all.
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At work atm so I cant bring up an X ray or anything, but the relatively slim gap between the tracks, assuming you dont hit any of the tracks, will do no meanful damage post pen with the ATR without firing at least tens of rounds in practice, since it will be very hard to hit the exact same spot twice to det ammo in actual matches.
Even moreso at any meaningful range as to protect your soldier without eating 76mm HE.
Because yes if you want to play semantics or be pinicikty, you can also jump on top to pen it. Only issue is, almost certainly you die before you damage it, not to mention even in the video you sent, and that range, an EP is a far more effective weapon as is.
I mean you also have to remember, the most common ATR it will face has an extremely long reload compared to subpar damage even among other ATRs.
The Polish ATR and the Solothurn are rare items not regularly seen.
The tracks are literally horizontal and the T-28 itself is the size of a barn door. Not being able to hit it is more of a skill issue than anything.
No, you can literally oneshot it at pretty much any range as there is effectively no bullet drop for ATRs.
I took it at that range so that you could see. Its very much possible to do this at any other range.
And only the Solothurn has better pen, the Polish one literally has the same penetration as the PzB38 and so all of them can be just as effective. ATRs are not meant to be magic counters to tanks. They are good enough as they are.
This entire thing here is just completely ignoring the actual way battles/catches go, completely ignoring the fact it is extremely rare for you to me able to hit that one part where you can penetrate with an ATR, I mean there is good reason, I have never seen a T-28E killed by an ATR, while ATRs do still get kills on every other tank they face normally at least time to time.
Also ATR dispersion is quite bad at range, maybe its just a glitch on my end, but if I shoot an ATR at the exact same spot at 100m, they will land like half a meter apart.
Also also, the Polish one fires significantly faster than the PzB38/39, Germany really needs a better TT option for an ATR, I mean it should have got the solothurn in the TT, but captured PTRS’s could work.
( 14.5 mm PzB 784(r) in german service).
No.
ATR’s do not need to be good enough for any player to oneshot T-28Es (the best BR2 Soviet tank and one BR higher than ATRs for a reason) frontally left and right, they are quite literally just filler meant to fight BR1 tanks.
Could be a problem on your side, but at these ranges, it is much simpler to just build an AT gun. Realistically, your team should be able to pull out a tank (and all German tanks have the ability to kill it, even frontally, starting from BR1).
No. You do not need a semi-auto with 10 20mm rounds with 55mm of pen on BR1. Soviets have worse tank guns (T-60 does not have enough to pen BR2 Panzers frontally), but better ATRs.
The simple truth is that BR1 ATRs can destroy it, and anything else is a problem of skill. Asking for better weapons is just an excuse for a lack of it.
I will not be continuing this conversation.
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Nor did I say they shouod, but they do need to be able to meaningfully damage them.
It would be perfectly fine imo, especially since it can only be used prone due to its weight and how the bipod syatem is still broken. Saying that Id much rather have a captured PTRS anyway in the TT, its a significantly more versatile and frankly better weapon.
Also why would you compare it to the T60 when you have the T70 which is significantly better? I mean by the logic, the germans also have worse tank guns since the PTRS pens more than the Pz2 since as far as Im aware, in enlisted it doesnt get its HVAP belts.
However ofc, if I think I get your general jist, please do please play more BR1 germans and try to kill a T-28E with an ATR, Ill be genuinely impressed if you do.
Also only an engineer or AT squad can bult an AT gun, something new players have no access to (For some reason, which is beyond me, engineer and sniper squads should swap places for new players).
Like I dont get why we are even arguing here, do you disagree about the T-28E being the best BR2 tank in the game but too weak for BR3? Because thats all I said, I said it was a mistale to add since its been a nightmare to balance, hence it should get its magic MG turrets fixed and a reload rate nerf, possibly a turret rotation nerf since tbf all the extra armour probably doubles the weight of the turret.