I’ve noticed a lot of people convinced Enlisted is now fully pay-to-win just because they locked campaign levels.
most of these levels are side upgrades (MG34 and MG42, Yak-7B and P-40E)
This is not the end of the world.
What they should not have done is lock important late game tech, such as the Engineer II and new Axis guns, plus the PPSh. Seeing as this is the first time, please give them reasonable feedback, and not something along the lines of “Stalingrad should be free/Enlisted P2W”. Yes it has it’s flaws, and it is the community’s job to give feedback, not two-sentence screaming rants.
For free players (I am one), Stalingrad is playable with a grain of salt, plus we got medics and the KV-1 free too. Our SMGs aren’t terrible and the LMGs are alright.
Also, remember gear and player are different - you can have a full PPSh squad but you will do nothing if you rush in and die. An experienced player with a bolt action would be more effective than that.
we must take into account the fact that in the next expansions of the campaign there will be other weapons, and most likely they will be free, so this does not exclude new semi-automatics and smg for f2p, the current weapons block has left me perplexed the last 20 levels they are randomly placed with automatic weapons only to entice the purchase of the campaign, they could insert the unlocking of weapons such as the danuvia and the thompson much better, but if so they have decided that’s okay
Yes I agree some important guns and squads were left out.
I hope that future campaigns will follow player feedback about choosing which levels to lock.
But one thing for sure, with how Stalingrad is right now, it’s simply not worth the grind for F2P players. I wouldn’t recommend them. People could just leave them out just like some people avoiding Tunisia. Just stick with Berlin or Moscow.
I low-key want to see Stalingrad fail. Imagine all the meme in Forum & Reddit when that happen :v
Still playable you say? I guess that means they can still make it a little worse then. What this campaign is, is an ultimatum to all dedicated players - pay up or get out. It’s never a good idea to do that with a non-essential product, the consequences can be very bad for everyone.
Why people should write essay about why locking end-game gear to paying customers is absolutely stupid idea when you can just say “P2W is retarded concept”
Very much this.
And for some reason I highly doubt the maps alone would be so appealing for F2P players to stick to stalingrad, leaving it just with paying players.
Keo already said there will be some premium squads in Stalingrad too
Can You believe anything he says anymore, i feel bad as he propable just have to follow orders though.
First it’s just some levels are locked, but no microtanstactions.
Now it’s just some premium squas added, but they will be unique.
Notice how these few levels now become 11, i won’t be suprised when they add many more premium squads regardles of Your niCe dEAl.
It’s nothing but steps back for free players. Are they no longer needed? I guess it’s fine if that’s the case. I’m sure it won’t lead to lots of mostly bot matches.
Even this “nice deal” isn’t that nice, even on the surface and without getting into anything else (like possibility of them adding microtransactions to that campaign). They are asking people to pay “only” half of typical full price of a full game - for one fifth of a deeply flawed and otherwise free game. Just because it’s still hilariously better than typical modern “AAA” proposition doesn’t mean it’s good, it says more about so called AAA games instead.
Explain to what end? They knew what they were doing. This wasn’t an accident. It’s not about them not knowing what people want in theory, it’s about them testing how much people will endure in practice.
said premium squads are probably not needed at all coz 4x campaign progression (8x with premium).
30 bucks for " everything " (squads soldiers and weapons upgraded, level progression , content, etc) its far better than premium squads + the long grind to level up.
so yes, this is far better than current premium squads on every campaign possible.
if they add premium vehicles or diferent premiums at all than what they current sell, i m all in.
I mean, that’s still not really a suggestion. People, when they actually want something done different, would put effort into a suggestion detailing what they want. Saying “no p2w” is not suggesting anything of substance for them to consider because you offer no alternative.
It wouldn’t be P2P if they were equal though. It’s been reiterated over and over that the free progression is akin to a demo for the campaign, and to fully enjoy it, you would have to purchase the campaign like you would be purchasing the game. Imagine if other P2P MMOs made their demos equal to P2P, there wouldn’t be much point making it P2P then, would it?
Near equal aint same as equal. Right now as we speak prem squads definitely aint equal to what f2p squads has. They get theyr advantage, but its not game breaking.
I dont recall such demos where pre-order status players got everything and less paying customers got only a fraction of the game.
Pre-order players might have had headstart to closed beta before game enters to open beta.
Still mostly in demos / betas people get pretty much equal equipments.
Not like in this stalingrad.
So no its not demo. Infact im quite sure the only reason why stalingrad aint locked entirely to p2p is that there most likely aint enough p2p customers to fill the lobbies.
So far this game has been entirely F2P with premium / membership content.
So this game infact havent ever been P2P and if thats the direction I dont mind.
I can happily skip the p2p contents and id imagine majority of rest of the f2p players does the same.
From what I’ve heard, the four campaigns we have released now are the four F2P campaigns. I’ve seen other people bring up that they already talked about experimenting with P2P after they delivered the originally planned campaigns, of which they now have. Keofox said they also won’t abandon the four campaigns, so there’s that as well.
The entire campaign isn’t a demo though, only the free part is. I personally see it as a “try before you buy it” thing rather than something to dedicate massive amounts of time to. The only thing the pre-order seems to give, is a tank and some customization things. That seems to be a pretty standard pre-order bonus compared to other games which also give something for that incentive of buying before it’s out. They said that you would be able to pay for full-access after it’s out too, so it’s not any large advantage. At least nothing too different from what we’ve seen in the prior campaigns.
Then just make them entirely P2P. I dont mind that at all.
And Im quite sure this demo doesnt make differency between p2p & f2p players. Aka f2p players shall be the cannonfodder for p2p players which I dont recall happening in any other “demo”
Compared to F2p player that cant even unlock the regular end-game stuff, id say its quite massive advantage.
