So when do you want to fix the (Nation) balance problem?

The soviet always have poorer weapons, tanks. And the soviet win rate especially in squad mode is horriblely low. In solo mode, soviet still get <50% winrate. If you have any doubt, I can provide most of my aftermatch result screenshots to prove this.

Weapons aspect:
Poor LMG:
Madsen recoil is worse than ZB26.
Soviet dosent have same weapon class as MG13. MG13’s sight is sooo superior than Madsen. Also much more faster firerate, less recoil.
Where is the soviet’s DP27??? WTF this most used LMG for soviet dosent appears in this game??? Why they are only used for placeholder???

Poor Bolt-rifle:
For both two basic rifle: M1907 and G33/40. The most annoying part is the sight, without the aimer’s ring, M1907 is much more harder to aim. That’s why I only use 98K/G33/40 not prewar 98K/VZ24.

Even premium weapons is unbalanced:
The only superior feature of PPK is it has 3 more bullets per mag.
MP41 IS A NOOB & LASER GUN! With more damage, faster firerate, less recoil, and can use semiauto mode.
The slight higher bullet travel speed is useless when PPK distance damage is 0.5 less than MP41.
We only recommend new people to buy german premium pack because PPK is not even better than PPD. Why waste 20USD on that four limited trash, and the trash soviet faction.

SMGs:
Yes, after the PPD buff, soviet only SMG is now useful. But, PPD drum’s bullet is so insufficient than MPs. Using MPs, you hardly run out of ammo, because +18 more bullets, and slower firerate.
Also, when killing someone, PPD can use much more bullets due to its less damage, and, most of all, the BAD NETCODE! This game’s netcode is ???. WT isnt sensitive at net speed/latency due to it’s vehicle vs vehicle, but Enlisted is FPS game! Current weird hit registration also just intentional sending you to wrong server, cause you shoot more then you actually need to. Also possible bullet missing problems. This makes PPD LOST its great advantage: its extreme high firerate.

unpaired weapons:
SVT: This should be a good rifle weapon, but due to its poor damage, and high recoil, it just dont suit as a sniper weapon. Just remove the scope and use as a normal semiauto rifle. It is more useful than same tier preway 98k scope rifle.
TOZ-BvsMP38: TOZB is very useful at very close range. But MP38 let german get a “slight slower reload MP40” a good SMG as well.

Vehicle aspects:
MUCH worse tanks than german’s.
T60vsPZ2C. like??? PZ2C’s front armor is better than T60. Also the most important part: T60 has NO CHANCE to penetrate PZ2C in distance. PZ2C has 50% more crew members than T60.
T26vsPZ3B: These two tanks are both has very poor armor. But PZ3B has 66% more Crew members. And PZ3B is more FASTER than T26. T26 has faster turret turning speed, but it’s useless when PZ3B can just simply turn the whole vehicle around.
BT7vsPZ3E: BT7 is the same vulnerable as T26/PZ3B. But has faster speed, so that’s can help escaping from explosives. PZ3E has 66% more Crew members. BUT PZ3E’s armor is so SICK that it’s more hard to let the explosives to get damage to the tank. At same distance, explosives can do greater damage to BT7 than PZ3E.
Also, the most ridiculous part: T60 has NO WAY to penetrate PZ3E’s front face. I’ve always make fun of soviet T60: Just drive my PZ3E direct to T60 and let them shoot at my tank as they like, then push the T60 back or even push them to the river. Meanwhile, BT7 isnt invulnerable to PZ2C. (PZ2C is pretty OP)
And, even BOTS can penetrate BT7 using their AT rifle. Bots can be very accurate at shooting enemies even inside the tanks. Using PZ3E, I NEVER feels afraid of bots. While PTRD is harder to penetrate a PZ3E.

BTW: The most important part affecting a match balance is the difference of player number in each side of that match. Though unbalanced weapons and vehicles can also lead to a higher playerbase difference of two sides.
See this threads: Current matchmaking system is a complete flaw! - #14 by 627636
Wrong server see this: Server selection not working or sometimes goes to wrong server - #4 by 71797618

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I play with the Soviet and German team. Maybe the Germans have better tanks, but I prefer Soviet submachine guns. Each side has something good. If you think Germany is better, play as German.

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PPD can’t save soviet when the rest part of soviet weapons are poorer.
Also PPD itself have terrible downside, or even glitch.

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Do you understand this is CBT and we can only play 20% of all Moscow weapons

Agree
But I disagree about poor sights, its mostly a problem where German rifles have unrealistically fast RoF

Agree

TRUE!!!

PPD fires so fast that sometimes hits just dont register
Fully upgraded PPD deals 6.6 dmg which is only 0.2 less than MP but still needs sometimes 3-4 shots and sometimes 10-15 bullets to kill

SVT should deal 12 dmg just like LMG but instead it deals only 8.5 dmg
Its useless even at close range and has no use in Enlisted even without scope

TOZ-B is actually nice

BUT

Just like Mosin Dragoon, Mosin Infantry, Winchester and M1907, it was never used by russians in ww2 and was actually used by Rebels called partisans
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My idea is introduce partisans as premiums and give them these older guns

This is mostly true
Players voted for t-34 in the poll so I’m still waiting for it
Germans could get Better cannons to counter it.

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Was it a dev poll?
Because tcat’s poll was worthless.

But voting community aint worthless
But you are kinda right
We know nothing about future development and the first time devs contacted us was when Manor got released and we argued with devs

I just mean some random making a poll about it doesn’t put the result on the roadmap.

NOPE. Not even close.

MG13s are definitely better. But not to the point where it is considered superior.
And considering all the buffs that Soviet SMGs are getting, German side deserve a high scoring automatic weapon.

Unless it shoots peanuts, shouldn’t be in the game. It was way way way too good back in alpha. The magazine size alone kills everything weapon balance in the game.

Soviet rifles deals higher damage. So, No. Sight is a preference thing. Having played both Soviet and German, I haven’t found anything wrong with either of them.

Maybe. But this unbalance will not affect a majority of the player base in open beta.

If you thought, PPDs were not useful before, it says a lot about how good of a player you are. PPDs were used to win games long before recoil buffs happened. Stop blaming the weapons for shortcomings of the player base. PPD is now an MP-40 with insane fire rate with literally no disadvantages other than the damage drop off.

You do understand Germany does not even get a semi auto, right? And there are a lot of Axis players who would be very happy to get one of those.

The PPD box is much better compared to MP-28 at the moment. MP-38 is the first actually useful SMG that Germans get. If MP-38 becomes the starter SMG with Luftwaffe drilling in its current place, I would gladly take it. Rn, this comparison is pointless.

As for tank balance, I’ve never been much of a tank user. I die whatever tank I spawn in quite easily.

Overall, just another one of the never ending complaints by Soviet players. Weapon balance in this game has never been better than it is now.

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There is no way how can I say all that better. This thread is just a slavaboo crying that mighty stalinium is not meeting expectations introduced by soviet propaganda. Plain and simple, as much as I don´t like using these names there is no other way to describe this thread because it is completely out of the reality.

As a person who plays soviets more than ever I see literally no problem with soviets aside t60 being tank extremely good against infantry but lacking tank vs tank performance. Soviet BT-7 is even easily one of my most favourite tanks currently in the game. (okay to be fair soviets also got worse pistols but since pistols are pretty much useless on both sides its not really usable argument anyway… pistols needs more work in general)

MP 41 is something that is disputable, but I found literally no problem with advantages axis premium gets simply because I can also utilize advantages of soviet premium just like axis that can utilize theirs (more than that, both of those premium squads are manifestation of P2W so I´m not buying the bs of soviet premium being weak).
Then there is PPD shots sometimes not registering: that is a bug, not balance issue at all, so that argument is off the table too.

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You are right
It doesn’t

Honestly even if OP was a crying slavaboo
@70242574 just answered him in a voice of a crying wehraboo.

Instead of giving a detailed opinion on his thread,
He just answered with Soviet guns OP, German guns BAAAD
And at the end, he sounded just like the OP

He even asked for removal of DP-27 even if it was a standard Soviet LMG in ww2 and both DP and MG-34 are confirmed to be coming to Enlisted Moscow. He could have just proposed for DP to be nerfed but not removed.

I think this thread should be deleted because Slavaboos and Wehraboos will just keep crying at each other non-stop without ending with a compromise

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Wehraboos refusing to give any ground despite absurd winrates is why this shit keeps happening and why I blocked the wehraboo king.

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Who’s the wehrab king?

I should have clarified that I do not agree on DP 27 statement (as far as my logic goes, Moscow will eventually have as much variety as possible in terms of weapons used) but he is actually correct in quite a lot of points.
Also I didn´t get the feeling of him saying that axis weapons are bad, he only pointed out that they have disadvantages too and are lacking the variety of weapon types (which is objectively true). Also his statement about PPDs is true, when they work (which isn´t even hard to do and saying that they are gamechanger is not far from reality either since we currently have SMG only meta… imagine having only rifles or nagants), they are amazing and when every bullet starts registering, they are going to outclass axis smgs simply because maps are supporting as close range as possible.
Now I do not support nerfing any of the sides that isn´t necessary, but I just cannot stand mindless rants that are completely out of actual reality in the game as it is spreading misinformation about how capable soviets actually are (and trust me, they are very capable). So it is such a shame that we have those few people openly creating threads like this and even discouraging from playing soviets (axis mains do not like playing PVE in PVP game and I don´t like standing alone against enemy team just to get PVP experience) while their arguments are often completely false.

another one of these

sighs

here we go again.

while I do agree with this

I do not think this would be a good idea, just how a MG34 would render all other MGs obselete. The DP-27 would require some downside to not be as OP as it was in Alpha.

Subjective

Another way to look at it is that the MP41 is “just” an upgraded variant of the normal german SMG, while the PPK offers a different SMG / playstyle from the normal Soviet SMG. Both should be nerfed.

But you get higher DPS, so balanced.

I do not encounter this. Enlisted is simply touchy when it comes to ping / distance / packet loss

These are fine

Except the T-60 has better hull armor.

Except it does, from the side. And with there being plenty of cover, getting catched out at range is user fault.

2 to 3 doesnt do much, tbh. If you get penetrated and one of the crew dies, you are dead in both tanks.

Except that prevents you from driving in a certain direction and requires you to stand still. So subjective which one is better

Balanced between speed and protection.

As far as I am aware, bots do not use AT rifles at all. Just a lot more German players play AT.

Most of the weapon balances are in favor of the Soviets.
You completely skip over the fact that their guns deal more damage across the board, which atm is 5-10% more, but used to be 20%+ more damage. But even when they did 20%+ more damage, the winrate difference did not change. It only made more players leave the game because on paper the balance was shit, and in practice the balance was shit, but exactly the opposite from what was on paper. Now at least most of the German players stay as the balance on paper is decent, while the balance in practice is also decent thanks to the recently increased playercount, for whatever reason.

  • Soviet rifles are stronger so +1
  • Soviet pistols are equal (tho revolver is weaker) so -0,5
  • Soviet shotgun exists, german shotgun does not so +1
  • Soviet LMG is slightly weaker, but still very much usable, while not requiring a second unlock so -0,5
  • Soviet flamethrower is equal so +0
  • Soviet mortar is equal so +0
  • Soviet AT rifle is weaker, but due to a bug, not due to stats, so -1
    Overal “score” here is 0, so no advantage or disadvantage. Meanwhile your SMG is stronger, so the end result is in favor of the soviets.

They did take the somewhat random F2P poll result and ran with that kek

Except it will. Not the difference between both sides, but the difference between premium and non-premium

Well so was the sturmgewehr a “standard” issue weapon during the time of normandy, and so were the tiger and tiger 2. Soooo does that mean we get to use tiger 2s against 75mm shermans?

You forget that you guys had +20% weapon damage for over a month that solved nothing for your winrate?

I honestly do not see having to repeat this for the 100th time as useful so we might as well ask a mod to close the thread.

You should have read my opinion on the topic:
The thing is, I didn’t say PPD is worse but it’s true that bullets tend to glitch quite a lot

Also, it’s true that SVT (and all semi automatics) lack damage

And MP-41 is still the highest scoring SMG in the game and can be used in pretty much all ranges. That’s why we need more open maps

And it’s also true german rifles should deal more damage and have their RoF reduced because it is just too fast even for the successful mauser loading system

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Yes, however I´m giving that credit to MP 41 for playing pretty much PVE mode for so long time while soviet players were more rare (that means, also soviet premiums). That is not the case anymore (at least in my timezone) so just for now and current situation, I find that argument almost obsolete. Claiming it still stands is not reflecting actual situation we have (situation when it is possible to safely have fun playing any of the sides without having to go through forced PVE).
I was mainly reacting on sfh posts, I chose you on reply because I was trying to explain why I agreed with that comment in the first place, I´m sorry if you got wrong impression.
Also, saying again, that PPD glitching is not a balance issue and I´m looking forward to see it fixed because playing with PPD (even drum) is often a lot of fun even now, imagine how it would perform when it works correctly.

Not if devs make it heavy and kill it with recoil.
You have to remember ZB is very comfortable to shoot on the move while MG-34 (in Normandy) jumps everywhere even when proning.
MG-34 wouldn’t outclass all MG’s. It will just be a choice for players who like to play more steadily

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same for DP-27

DP can have reload nerf as disc mag was hard to load.

Imo, DP should be somewhere between ZB and MG-34 in performance.

Better than ZB when stationed but worse than MG-34.
Better than MG-34 when on the move but worse than ZB

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