Sensible Thompson SMG family rebalance (BRs, Recoil)

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This suggestion is based upon what muzzle devices and attachments Thompson SMG variants have in our game, their rate of fire, feed system and reload speeds.
Listed stats are for maxed out weapons, the effect of changing a certain stat would be the proportional for stock weapons.

1. M1A1 - BR 2
Recoil - 36/14, RoF - 690rpm, Recoil Control - 60%, 2.3/1.8 s reload, 30rd mag.

After having its BR lowered, the gun became a BR 2 weapon of choice over Lanchester SMG - it shreds enemies at close range and can be used in short bursts at medium range.

Suggestion: Increase recoil from 36/14 to 39/14, to make Lanchester and Owen SMGs worth using, and make M1A1 the obvious choice only for close range.

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2. M1928A1 - BR 3
Recoil - 32/13, RoF - 810rpm, Recoil Control - 60%, 1.5/1.5 s reload, 30rd mag.

Differs from the previous Thompson in slightly less cluttered sights and a muzzle device, which expectedly lowers its recoil.
Stats make sense and the weapon is fine as it is - strong at close range but loses against other SMGs at medium distance, no need to change it.

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3. M1 - BR 4
Recoil - 34/13, RoF - 920rpm, Recoil Control - 60%, 2.2/1.8 s reload, 30rd mag.

They all look so similar, don’t they?
Despite not having a muzzle device, this one has its vertical recoil in-between the previous two models, at 34 points. However, the rate of fire increase over M1928A1 is not that high to use the thing at BR 4, making the weapon an obstacle in the tech tree, sadly.

Suggestion: Increase recoil from 34/13 to 39/14 (equal to BR 2 M1A1 which also doesn’t have a muzzle device), and lower the Battle Rating to 3, to make the weapon a sidegrade to M1928A1 with slower reload and bigger recoil, but higher rate of fire.

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4. M21/28 (box magazine) - BR 4
Recoil - 39/10, RoF - 810rpm, Recoil Control - 70%, 1.5/1.5 s reload, 30rd mag.

Same as M1928A1 at BR 3 in terms of muzzle device, reload speed and rate of fire.
However, despite having the forward grip, vertical recoil is 22% higher (39 vs 33), which is partially compensated by 30% lower horizontal recoil (10 vs 13). Still not worth using at BR 4, unless…

Suggestion: Change the recoil from 39/10 to 23/10, since the weapon has both forward grip and a muzzle device. This way vertical recoil would be very manageable, compensating for bullets being too slow as for BR 4 standards, and horizontal recoil would be slightly less than that of M1928AC (50rd drum mag) at 13 points, assuming heavier magazine under the recoil vector (aka barrel) makes it harder to control horizontal movement of the gun.

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5. M1928A1 50 (drum magazine) - BR 5
Recoil - 23/15, RoF - 810rpm, Recoil Control - 60%, 2.9/2.5 s reload, 50rd mag.


The weapon was bad, ignored in favor of anything from M2 Carbine earlier in the game history to Hyde 1944 until recently, when M1928AC was introduced in the tech tree, completely killing this Tommy.
However, it can make sense and become a viable option.

Suggestion: Increase recoil from 23/15 to 25/15 (following the logic of heavy drum lowering vertical, but increasing horizontal recoil, based upon BR 3 variant with 30 rd magazine), and lower the Battle Rating to 4, to make the weapon a sidegrade to M21/28 with higher recoil, but also higher mag capacity.

6. M1921AC - BR 5
Recoil - 13/13, RoF - 1040rpm, Recoil Control - 70%, 2.6/1.9 s reload, 50rd mag.


The definition of what a BR 5 Thompson should be - high rate of fire, controllable recoil which actually allows the use of other Weapon perks of a soldier, a gun that in some scenarios is better than Hyde 1944. No need to change it.

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“Thompson family rebalance”

Looks inside.

Almost every single thompson gets increased recoil.

Yeah… No.

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Tried reading? The only one I suggest to increase the recoil of without lowering BR is the first one, which is objectively too strong at BR 2 and makes Owen smg worthless.

I added a extra bit to this suggestion to make it perfect.

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This is a suggestion, you need to add a poll

Thanks, done that.

No need, it’d be just a much worse version of the Thompson that USMC squad or Japan have

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The USMC Thompson has excellent recoil so most guns in its br will look terrible in comparison. The m1a1 recoil is really easy to control and has a pretty fast fire rate, so with a 30rd capacity it will be too powerful.

As a person who plays almost as much German (2,250) as I do Allies (2,455), I am fine with the Thompson’s just the way it is at BR2. That being said, it’s time to rework some of the German BR2 smg’s instead, like the FNAB from the base ROF of 400 to 600, maxed at 690. This puts it more in line with the PPS-42 and the Thompson as far as ROF. I would leave the recoil alone as it has less recoil then the BR2 Thompson, so there is your tradeoff, more damage vs less recoil, same ROF for the most part. It would be nice to buff the MP-40, however it is I believe fairly historically accurate as is, but maybe a slight increase to the ROF or damage?

I never liked the Lanchester and always just preferred the BR1 Sten over it, and still do to this day. I also like the M3A1 Grease gun, however it fires to slow really to be as effective at BR2 so I rarely use it, NTM that it appears to be somewhat historically accurate so not much can be done with it without bastardization.

The other level Thompson buffs I have no problem with though, although I hardly use any SMG’s in my BR5 Allied lineups, mostly M2 Carbines or T-20 rifle squads, and I am BAR heavy at BR3 with four BAR squads.

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The mp40 used to be considered a decent br2 gun but because of powecreep from other nations it’s now one of the weakest br2 guns. The mp40 should stay the same and not become a bastardised version, instead the Devs should rid br2 of OP weapons that belong in br3 or could be balance OP guns using historical data.

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Yeah, I love the MP-40, but I can’t justify using it now as I have other smg options which are better at BR2. Maybe it’s time to drop it, or at least the MP-38 to BR1, along with the FNAB if nothing is going to be done about it. The bad thing would be is that I have NO BR1 German lineup, I only have BR2, BR3 and BR5 set up. I would love to have a BR1 again, but no point in it as it is now.

I do have an awesome BR1 Allies lineup, but NEVER play BR1 with them. :smile: In fact the Allies are the only faction I have excellent lineups across all the BR levels. The Soviets and Germans are excellent BR2-5, and Japanese just BR2 and 3.