the soviets never developed a panzerfaust and they did not capture in numbers enough that they are widely accessible to the average soldier in fact they were so rare they were reserved and given only to elite shock troops which even in the late war were badly misused and wasted however they get it in the tech tree? nah that isn’t fair especially when the Germans don’t get access to the PPSH41 Despite it being captured in such large numbers it became one of the most wieldy used smgs of the German army
Captured PPSh-41 submachine guns were widely utilized by German forces during World War II, designated as the MP717(r) (unconverted) and MP41(r) (converted to 9mm). So many were captured on the Eastern Front that it became the second-most common submachine gun used by the Wehrmacht.
should the panzerfaust 60 and 100 be removed from the soviet tech tree and made event weapons, do keep in mind i simply do not care if it upsets free to players this is unfair and their are plenty of options that the soviets have examples being the 20 mm anti tank rifles they had and the lend leased bazooka
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No poll, also the Soviets definitely captured Panzerfausts in large quantities and used them.
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the Soviets did capture Panzerfausts in large quantities, the problem really is the Soviets didnt produced any AT of their own, they used the PTRD til 1945, you can see that in some historical photos, giving them the Panzerfaust was a form to actually give em something to fight with instead of them depending on an AT from BR 1.
if they didnt produce it and given historical records estimates are that 200000 were captured (il be fair and say they got 150000 of em compounded by again soviet doctrine of not giving them to avarage troops. then they simply should not have them.
we all have weaknesses and the soviets lack of infantry anti tank should be theirs germany has shitty cas and paper tanks and the allies have mediocre infantry and bad tanks.
it is unfair that Germany and the Allies do not get captured weapons but the soviets get them
Considering you are asking Gaijin that are Russians and you have body armor that gives them protection from bullets let me give you and example what they think about this topic let the Russian Donald Trump explain you best :
There is far bigger Soviet Bias things then Anti tank copy paste weapons xD They literally have body armor that protect them from bullets and you are complaining about anti tank weapons xD
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dude, i think u forgot Gaijin is a russian company, they try to make it ‘‘fair’’ but are extremly soviet biased, look at each TT, every country has a captured gun but the Germans get nothing, the MP 717 R was a great example, the only captured gun they got was the MP 717 R (PPS 43) which is just a copy and paste, not even a re-chamber to 7.63 mauser like the PPSH was, sadly Germany will suffer for a lot of time and theres not a lot we can do.
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Thats only a 10% damage reduction and they did have it true it should be an engineer only thing but they did make it themselves and it was a real thing
besides the Germans get a helmet that gives 25% reduced damage
Well i am a firm believer that the squeeky wheel gets the grease and the more people that complain t he more likely they are to have some introspection, also i would absolutely support a fund that makes it so gaijin doesnt get to balance the russian equipment it should be an impartial forign branch. also i believe that they moved their head office to sweden so there should be plenty of swedish game devs that can hold them to account
we hope so dude, Gaijin only listens when its all over the forums and Discord, only then they listen, remember the WW1 event? they screwed up first time, then the community went into madness and they solved the problem of the event rather quickly, only way for it to be solved is everyone going mad but well, Soviet mains always going to defend Gaijin and they are a portion of the playerbase so ya know, it is what it is.
see here is the worst part i play all the nations but i have self control and wont use weapons if they dont mesh with my idea of how a soviet squad should be.
this is why my rank 3 soviet anti tank team still uses the scoped ptrs
i mostly try to keep it historical as well, mostly what the Generals actually wanted, im currently using 3 main guns, MG42, MP40 and Gewehr 43, im used to most of em, as extras i got the Panzerfaust 100, Pak 40 and the STG45, with tank im using the Panther G, its a good BR 4 setup, the MP40 could be replaced by an Kiraly and the MG42 by a patronentrommel but i dont like any of em, the MG34 due to it sights and the Kiraly due to its fierce recoil, i can perform good with this setup.
First off, don’t spout nonsense claiming the Soviets barely captured any Panzerfausts and don’t deserve to have them on the tech tree.
Germany produced over 8 million Panzerfausts of all variants. On the Eastern Front alone, the Soviets seized and field-recovered somewhere between 1.5 to 2.5 million units—this is firmly in the millions.
Real Soviet military archives prove it: a single Guards division could capture two to three thousand of them in one go. Before the Battle of Berlin, standard Soviet rifle divisions already had over fifteen hundred captured Panzerfausts on hand as regular stock.
By the late war, Germany had far more Panzerfausts than they could ever use. Mass stockpiles sat in depots and frontline positions, simply abandoned during retreats and surrenders, all seized by the Soviets. More importantly, the Soviets didn’t just hoard them—they issued them down to company level, formed dedicated anti-tank teams, and deployed these captured weapons en masse against German forces in actual combat.
Both in sheer quantity and real operational usage, they absolutely qualify for a spot on the tech tree. Claiming captures were negligible is completely baseless.
Of course, I also hope the captured German MP717 can be restored to the tech tree. Back then, it was removed along with the Soviet Thompsons during the Christmas update. To this day, I still can’t understand why DF would make such a move—delisting a firearm that belongs in the Stalingrad tech tree in the first place.
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Oh right, you keep picking on the Soviets for having German anti-tank weapons in their tech tree,
but why don’t you mention the Japanese?
They somehow got their hands on German disposable anti-tank launchers out of nowhere.
That’s way more ridiculous by comparison.
It’s pretty obvious they only added it for balance reasons.
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quite simple i dont like them getting it either also historical records show the captured amount is between 150 to 400 thousand. i have my own complaints about the japanese gameplay while fighting soviet heavy tanks in the far east!
dont know if you are ignorant on purpose but i said "i dont care if they lack anti tank options they did not produce it they shouldnt get it unless its premium (captured) varient
Also leave your bigotry against the japanese at the door, dont even pretend you arent.
Alright then. I didn’t actually read all of what you said earlier and missed that part.
I’d say the Soviets should at least follow the old map restrictions: only be able to field large numbers of Panzerfausts during the Berlin campaign. After all, by then they’d already pushed straight into Germany’s homeland—they could easily grab tens of thousands of Panzerfausts straight out of factories with no trouble at all.
But the problem now is it’s no longer map-locked; everything is balanced by BR rating instead. Just look at how it is now: even at BR 3, Germany can bring Flakfausts into maps like Moscow or Stalingrad.
And don’t you think Japan having German anti-tank weapons is even more ridiculous? Historically, Japan only ever got a few blueprints at most. Even their attempt to buy Tiger tanks ended up being a total scam. I’ve never found any historical records proving they ever got their hands on these anti-tank launchers at all. It’s not like this is just bias speaking.
If we’re really talking about bias: the game-buffed Japan is basically stronger than Germany at this point, nothing like the broke, impoverished imperial power it was in real history.
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i had a look and i have no idea what disposable launchers you are on about the tier 4 one is the RPzb ofenrohr but the rest are home grown anti tank unless the type 4 is borrowed i wouldnt know.
i havent seen any buffs for imperial japan they get some pretty rare weapons sure which is a bit excessive.
they didnt need these weapons when facing against the sword wielding Chinese forces (it happened and is more meant to be a response to you calling the imperial army impoverished) i would love a chinese tree but it would have to have like no tanks at all except for like FT17s
There’s no need to put it that way. Even though the Chinese military was under-resourced, it still purchased a batch of tanks right before the War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression.
At the lower end, there were light tanks armed only with machine guns.
At the higher end, China also received American-supplied Shermans and T-26 tanks during the war.
If we break it down in more detail: if China’s regular lineup was limited to machine-gun-only tanks and machine-gun-equipped armored vehicles, it could still support a fully fledged tech tree spanning from BR 1 all the way to BR 5.
Historically, the Sherman earned the nickname “Little Tiger” in the Pacific theater.
While it got lit up like a disposable lighter on the Western Front at Normandy, against Japan’s tiny light tanks, it was overwhelmingly dominant.
I’m a bit disappointed with how China is portrayed in the game right now. It’s treated much like Germany and Italy, reduced to a puppet tech tree.
I hope one day Britain can be separated from the US tech tree, just as China deserves to stand independent from both the Soviet Union and the United States.
Britain and America largely had independently commanded military forces.
After the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact was signed, Soviet aid to China basically dried up entirely.
From that point on, China relied entirely on its own endurance and vast territory, single-handedly pinning down more than half of Japan’s military strength.
I truly hope the game will one day properly portray this part of history.
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Calling Japan a penniless imperialist power isn’t something I made up out of thin air. It’s a historical assessment from our own military strategists.
Just think about it: even during wartime, many Japanese enlisted simply because they were starving and had no choice but to join the army to survive.
Ever since the First Sino-Japanese War, even after Japan seized two hundred million taels of silver in reparations, none of that wealth went toward improving the lives of its people. Instead, it was used to ramp up military expansion, while the Japanese populace was squeezed ever harder to fund future wars.
If you compare Italy and Japan, Italy was at least a fully industrialized nation. Japan was even worse off than Italy. That’s exactly why it deserves the label of a penniless imperialist power.
if the Chinese get the little tiger japan should get access to the happy tiger AKA the No.6 heavy tank
they had cash money they werent poor they just lacked oil due to an embargo and japans standard of living was way better than say shanxi xibe san ma and the guangze clique.
the united front wasnt even helped by the commies they spent more time infiltrating