Request to balance team powers in Berlin

I’m really frustrated from what’s happening from team unbalance in Berlin… T-34-85 is too much OP as well as PPS-43 insane rate of fire and the dreaded IL2 sturmovik that’s almost impossible to destroy, why everything related to USSR is OP is the strongest while anything german is weak ? In the past we were having panther G as the starting tank but now we get nothing but only the stupid Pz.4 J which is no match for any t-34 variant, either you make panther G as the starting tank for the Germans or you remove the first t34 tank for the USSR and replace it with T-34-76 or earlier model. We want the same amount of balance between the two teams like in Normandy and Moscow campaign where Germany wasn’t underpowered like in Berlin, we know that’s what the history was, Berlin was weak in its final days but this doesn’t mean you do the same annoying Russian bias that made me quit warthunder since 2014.

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And the Soviets player get cocky just because half of the player they are playing against is just a bot or inexperienced player…

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I haven’t touched Russia yet in Berlin, but I’ve picked up a PPS and was disappointed. The MP 3008 is definitely superior.

The disparity between T-34-85s and the IVJ is a problem but don’t pretend literally everything like the PPS and the IL is OP.

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I almost always stay on the top of my team with a high score yet we get destroyed by the dreaded USSR

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I’ve just meant to write the new topic, titled Russian Bias is here again. T-34-85 (D-5T) is way way better tank than the Pz IV J, it’s faster has higher cannon caliber so both HE and AP shells are better, both in penetration and also in dealing (in HE case area) damage but this tank also has APHE which more often than not just one shot Pz IV J or at least kills almost the entire crew. Plus it’s armour is just magical, impossible to penetrate from the front due to MG nest, driver’s hatch and the track at the bottom. I’ve switched on WT to check how Pz IV J should penetrate the T-34-85 form the front and it should penetrate almost everywhere but in Enlisted id doesn’t work exactly the same. Besides even if you shoot first and penetrate this shit it’s almost impossible to one shot even if shooting directly in the ammo. To fianally destroy any T 34 I needed like 3 shots. So as you said either replace T-34-85 (D-5T) with T-34-76 1943 or be crazy and replace it T-34-57 or some Lend-Lease Sherman or give Germans Panther in Pz IV’s place but not the G model but something like A (I know it’s already a premium tank) or D variant, while G should be where it is now, or if they trully wants keep this ‘poor Germans situation’ replace APHE with AP (if this had one) shells in T-34-85 and give Germans Pz IV H with slighly better turret rotation, because now 5.1 deg/s comparing to 21.2 deg/s is strongly unbalanced. Don’t also forget that T-34-85 in WT is at the same BR (5.3) as Panther A, while Pz IV J (4.0) would never play with T 34-85.
As for IL I don’t this necssary right now but I know that it’s better plane the JU 87 D5. Flying and dog fightng should be somehow reworked at all.
As for PPS-43 I agree, MP 3008 is just worse, low firerate with comparing recoil.

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https://armor.wotinspector.com/?targetVehicleId=2561,5378,4355,8964&mode=confrontation.chance&platform=pc&playerVehicleId=18193,44818,37651,788,5402

WOT shows you can pen T-34-85 most of its hull while here you can’t expect turret ring.

Deeply from my heart I agree with you dear.

Just gonna go ahead and say that that’s the worst reference to use for Gaijin damage models.

its for world of tanks

I’m still collecting data to do a full analysis of the so called “Soviets are OP” claims. But what I’ve found so far is that a large group of people believe these claims and as a result play mostly Soviets. Meaning the Germans typically have fill ins from players that select “play both sides” that are lower levelled as a result. Also, I feel that the German playerbase is lacking in skill in general. I haven’t finished making my full spreadsheet (or finished playing games for data) but here’s what I’ve found so far:

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Most notably, my score difference between a win and a loss for Axis is around 900 in favor of a loss (score difference is calculated by seeing how many points I am away from the second place player if I’m first (+), and how many points I was away from the first place player when not first (-)), while for the Allies this number was only around 350 points in favor of a loss. Indicating that German losses are typically due to bad teams, and not inferior gear.

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Well, I’m sorry to say this but your analysis with full respect is as well Russian biased. Because let’s get honest, I haven’t complained from the weakness of Germany in Moscow or in Normandy despite the Americans have the jumbo but it’s ok for me and I can go with that fact, but the thing that I’m not ok with is the unexplained weakness that has been given to Germans in the last update that downgraded the 1st tank for the Germans and giving them the panzer 4 instead of the panther, gaijen should step up in this or people will leave Berlin and play other campaigns.

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Somewhat. It’s definitely a situation like pre-normandy CBT where few players mained Russia.
But now that we’re in OBT, shitters have successfully poisoned the team makeup of Russia by flocking to it, and I’m seeing way more wins or near losses as Germany now than I did in the Berlin CBT.

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I usually have to wait to queue for soviets but I instantly join a match as Germans.

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Yup, its BS.

Your analysis includes way too small of a sample size, lol. So much so that you were likely able to choose it pretty easily, and didn’t take very long to collect data. Also as you pointed out with your sample size it would have been easy to while on a run of unskilled Russian players. It can go both ways you know.

Nice try though guy. Your not the only that understands stats on this board. Or maybe you actually dont which would make this even more comical.

Lame.

Did i just witnessed using World of Tanks as a source ? :unamused: :expressionless:

Also your sample size should include the same total amount of matches played for both sides.

GTFOH with your silly nonsense.

Here come the personal insults towards me personally, which is a true sign that your recactions are overly defensive, which is a sign of your understanding that your analysis is bunk.

The problem with any stats analysis is that the controls can be rigged so that you get whatever your desired results are. That is obviously what you have done here. Also if your study is not complete you should not be publishing your results. You must want to be laughed at.

Hmmmm…

You’re a literal clown when you go and throw personal insults then whine like a baby when you have me call you a clown.

You’re right. I’ve totally rigged random data…

I stated that my results were preliminary and are not final. And its for a video game… You’re trying to act like I’m leaking secret documents for a highly secret study. And not just posting some data from my personal experience in a video game… Lets also note I haven’t made any conclusions that can’t be statistically proven without a doubt based off of my data.

Again, stop being a clown

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You’re right. I totally just made all of this up. I’ve spent hours of my life inputting fake data for this exact moment. Not like I’ve been a part of this community since the beginning and am actively trying to make this game the best it can be or anything…