exept, jumbos are not rare at all since people can unlock them.
i don’t see why germans should be “forced” to buy a tiger 2… just to overkill left and right.
not to mention, you are just reversing the problem.
people that just unlocked m5s and m8s i’m sure they will thank you.
so needless to say it’s out of question.
and, according to this logic, germans should get tigers just because were available at the same time during that campaign…
In 1945 maus was soviet,he was reconstruct from 1.5 destroyed maus(they was destroyed by crew).
When for win you need use tactic it is good.
no.
not in a scenario where he doesn’t need to use any tactic and deals with many tanks because once again,
FLANKING IS NOT ALWAYS AN OPTION.
but i’m just repeating my self after this point.
Jumbo in frontal armor have some low armor place,pz 4 can penetrate this positions.
Why all tanks battle need only good mouse,but not tactic?American have good armor at tank,Germany good bomber with 1.5t.
But I against jumbo,he not historical,but not powerful.
You everything situation can flanking,but not when have full team from bots or Wilhelmstrasse.
ok, you are making me lose my patience.
i’ll just mention what someone said better than me in ony simple comment:
simply, it’s not a 1v1 situation where both opponent has to play for the best based on their tank.
like, pz iv j against the sherman, it’s actually fair, the first to shot the enemy weakspot, win. easy as that.
it’s not the case with any vehicle against a jumbo, he can simply shoot you almost anywhere and doesn’t even have to try to penetrate you.
weather you, have to think about many others parameters. and basically try to snipe a pixel.
if you can’t understand it, i don’t know what to tell you.
but stop filling this thread with more idiot bs.
because yet i have to see proper and vauable points about the jumbo.
If you not agree with me it is not = I idiot.
You can use bushes,trees and next,for flanking.
Jumbo have shit penetration.
Why you not do topic about t60?He can’t frontal penetration pz 3 e,pz 4 e,pz 3 j.
maybe because it’s irrelevant?
Ok, this thread has been open for a while, and lots of response have been made.
Some have been off-topic, with insults at individual forum users. I don’t want to close the thread immediately, so please keep it on-topic if you want the discussion to continue.
Usually, this kind of discussion turned into a match that which side of players has more people on the forum. The side with better equipment want to keep their relative advantage (like FG42 and Jumbo), the side with worse equipment want to get it balanced and keep its own advantage with something others. So it won’t go anywhere.
perhaps you misunderstood my whole thread.
i’m not implying or stating that germany suffers.
i’m just looking objsectively at both tanks, and unfortunately, the jumbo does not match any of the principles of tanking warfare for a game like enlisted.
that’s the wrong thing.
along side the others that can’t realize that it’s not a fair engagement anymore.
like heck, as i said before, as a german my self, i required many nerf for my own weapons.
but based on what i have, and what i encounter, many people judging from that demanded, a panther. and that’s no way to go. i don’t understand how even devs could have agreed.
once again, do we really need to make m5s and m8s struggle just for a bad game decision?
but i’m not going to let devs add any kv1s, is-6s, or any tank that shouldn’t belong in other campaigns.
( if they have common sense left )
like, the m24, the ba 11, and the t50 can still somewhat make sense of their introduction, but i don’t see why tank warfare should be plagued by a broken tank like in normandy.
doesn’t make much sense call this game " skill " based when in reality it isn’t.
change whatever they typed, than i guess we can be cool about it.
and than you are free to ruin this game with even more bigger tanks.
tigers, panthers, yada yada yada.
but not on my watch.
and people that defend jumbo or fg42s for that regard without making actual points, shouldn’t be listened to the first place.
but that’s what i think of course.
Jumbo too.
exept, we are talking about the jumbo?
i don’t see how it’s relevant mentioning others campaign tank that does not have remotely similar issues.
Pz 2 can’t frontal penetrate t60,t60 can’t frontal penetrate pz 3 e,j,pz 4.
Start tank can’t frontal penetrate 3 and next tanks,it is very big problem.
Pz 2 against t60 it is how pz 4 h against jumbo it is too very big problem!
than go make a thread about it.
i don’t see how is still relevant to THIS thread.
because if it wasn’t clear, we were talking about normandy. not moscow.
Your solution wont work and game will get heavy tanks and end game tanks that are hard for starting tanks.
“tanks that should be able to pen everything, and even the starter tank could pen the last. that was a golden rule” more like a impossible purely populist unsustainable thing to say becouse game would cut itself on crucial and most popular iconic weapons and vehicles example tigers , panthers etc !!
Depite the noble idea of devs its just unsustainable and impossible in the long run and would cost you your most wanted tanks !
What you fail to consider and even tell is that planes are allready a hard counter to ALL tanks , hell even explosive pack… and now panzerfausts ! with even tank destroyers coming in the game !
Also on the side note i get killed in sherman jumbo from puma more offten than anything , reakky easy if guy has any brain and shoots side armor !!
P.S. Really looking foreward to IS3 on battle for Berlin as devs have confirmed it as possibility for sure !
If you complain then no King Tiger 2 , who allready exists in the game !!
Jumbo does not break through only when he is standing exactly frontally, any turn to the left to the right and he is already breaking through,his gun is terrible and does not always break through the pz 4,even the pz 4 j,so he is not a bit disbalanced,this is not a damn aircraft that has no counteraction.
The only problem with it is that it is not historical,but pz 3 b, the first t34 85 in Berlin, is also not particularly historical, but there is in the game.
Oh, yes, and what is the reason for such aggressive behavior?
damn aircraft have a hard counter that exists only for them and for rest is pretty much useless > Fighter planes !!
Production of the T-34-85 began in January 1944 at Factory No. 112, first using the D-5T 85 mm gun.
T3485 is pretty accurate for Battle for Berlin even weird choice for starter tank… but makes sence if devs want to put King Tiger 2 in the game and this late model of T34 can shoot it in side armor no problem !