Remove the effect of the Soviet body armor

It’s time to talk about body armor yet again. An appearance that gives 10% universal damage reduction.
It ruins the game in low BR and it gives a huge huge edge in BR5 , public games and custom games.

The big negatives of body armor :

  • 14.85 HP instead of 13.5 HP of all the other factions. (A default soldier has 10 hp. Vitality adds 35%, so we get to 13.5. Body armor stacks an extra 10% on top of vitality, so we get to 14.85 HP )
  • Completely unfair against Germany and Japan
  • Makes balancing a headache for the developers
  • In real life it only stopped low caliber bullets
  • It blocks all the nice customization you could be using on the Soviet soldiers

We need to remove the body armor if we want a fair game. Otherwise, what are we doing here ?

Not only Body armor is a problem in public games, but also in custom games, where you are basically trolling by not using the overpowered body armor. Being able to survive 1 extra shot can snowball into killing a full enemy squad.

In any shooter, it is unheard of for 1 faction to have such an advantage compared to the other factions.

And before anyone thinks this post is made by a German or Japanese main, I have the most games played on the Soviet faction, and I know first hand how much of an advantage the Soviet body armor gives.

Based on the high number of matches I played with the Soviet faction, I can tell you first hand that their equipment is better than the other factions. There is no need for the body armor crutch

Remove the damage reduction effect of the Soviet body armor
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As promised, a picture of my stats. It shows exactly how much I played the Soviet faction, but also it shows that I play all the factions, so I can be objective when it comes to suggesting changes

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o7

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As always:
If the 10% is so small that it doesnt affect the game than there is no problem with removing it.
If the 10% does affect game balance than it must be removed.

Simple as.

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In addition to the post, I know that there will be some people who wants the body armor to be added on other factions as well without removing/reduces the body armor damage reduction.

No, that will just make this matter even worse.
The body armor damage reduction should be removed or at least the reduction % should be toned down to an insignificant numbers, something like 1% for example so that it wouldn’t affect gameplay this much.

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It will still have the exact same effect))
Let’s take submachine guns as an example:
13,5÷(6,8−1%)=2.005 > 2.
In other words, at 1%, the same 3 shots would be required instead of 2, just as at 10%.
Therefore, the body armor protection must be completely removed.

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After all the years of people COMPLAINING about the body armor demanding change, and the Dev’s have done nothing but tell us “THEY DON’T WANT TO MAKE A KNEE JERK REACTION”, I think we can assume all they’re really doing is extending their middle finger to player requests. :joy:

IMOP, they don’t have to do anything to the body armor itself, just change it so ONLY those who actually wore body armor can wear body armor. That would make it limited to ASSAULTER ENGINEERS ONLY! Not every damn Soviet soldier had access to it. However, if I had been holding my breath the Dev’s were actually going to do anything about it, i would have died several dozen times over.

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So what do you propose I do with the 80+ pieces I have

I thought about this too, but then people will cry about their all body armor cosmetics suddenly became unusable and will demands for a refund. This wouldn’t be a problematic if people had purchased it only with their appearance orders but this gets tricky because some of them definitely had purchased it with their golds. But, if the devs be able to refund them properly even for the gold purchase then i think this can be a good solution as well.

Tho, i’m not sure about what we would do with other prem squad that comes with their own body armor in this case. Fedorov MG squad and AS-44 model 4 prem squad, as well as PPD-40 DSZ squad comes with their own body armor. Do we allow them to keep their body armor or replace their cosmetic with something else?

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Ppd and federov came with body armor over unique tops… why do they need to be changed anyway? I thought the problem with how much it’s used? Those are legacy premiums anyway…

Since you bought them as cosmetics, you will keep the cosmetic effect, eheh. You pretty padded turtle, you.

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If some fool bought 80+ of those, must mean they have an impact in game, eh?
Then

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For assault engineers, they can keep their body armor because the counterpart german one do gets better helmet as well. Not sure about what other excuses would be needed for these prem squads. I mean, yes they are pretty rare sight but still, the advantage is advantage. I wouldn’t fuss too much about it, but yea.

That’s not what I was talking about, eheh.

I’m talking about how the ones I have extra because you only want them to be used on assault engis.

I answered you clearly.

You bought 80+. You’ll keep them. With no crutch bonus.

But you’ll keep your fancy turtle look.

Eheh.

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I think we have a little misunderstanding going on here.
pizza loan said that to the post where we simply remove the body armor cosmetic usage altogether from TT squads. Here.

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Soviets have what 5 different campaigns? 7 dudes a squad that’s 35 for all of them with the rest with nowhere to go.

And if you actually used your brain instead of responding out of pure hatred towards body armor you’d know I was responding to the person who said to limit them to assault engi… not the post as a whole.

Not supposed though… considering your snark little response here… that was cute.

Nothing to say? Expected… but to be honest that wouldn’t be a problem if they just removed the reduction instead of limiting… so.

I see.

I only talked about the main original post.

So many of them each months, I really just skim through the threads.

I’m as thorough as… the devs, you could say, ohohoh!

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Well, since you voted “no, I need my crutches”, I just correctly assumed you didn’t want the bonus removed either, which is what I talked about.

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They started this topic again…

Of course. Because getting 10% damage reduction in online PvP FPS game is huge.
And it gets ridiculous when only one faction can enjoy this advantage without limits other than the appearance orders/golds.

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