Regarding Enlisted and War Thunder infantry mode

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Wall of text incoming, sorry about that, lol.

We know that war thunder will get an infantry mode with gear that starts at the korean war era. It is quite obvious that gaijin doesn’t want war thunder to walk on enlisted’s toes, which is logical. By that logic, there obviously won’t be any korean war (and beyond) stuff that will come to enlisted.

But then, what about the future content for enlisted ? We won’t be getting anything that comes after ww2, the ww1 april fools event in enlisted just uses the assets of war thunder’s last year april fools event that was also about ww1, and even if ww1 is introduced to enlisted someday, most of the ww1 weapons are already into the game, so there won’t be much new weapons. There wouldn’t be much more tanks either, obviously because of historical reasons and also because enlisted’s tanks and planes are just the models that were made by war thunder’s teams, so if war thunder’s teams don’t make them, then there won’t be much ww1 tanks and planes in enlisted.

Whether we get ww1 or not one day, what else can we get in the future in enlisted ? The devs don’t really want to give us any new nations (which is funny, because ww1 western front was mainly between France, UK, and Germany, and we don’t have the first two ingame, so the devs would be forced to introduce new nations if they chose to officially introduce ww1); most of the iconic weapons, tanks and planes from ww2 are already in the game. You can clearly see that the last update was very thin in terms of content for each tree: we got in total 3 weapons, including 2 premium, and they are all variations of already existing weapons, 2 tanks, and 1 plane. The devs are clearly running out of weapons to add to the trees (or they choose to sell the new stuff as premiums, lol), and the same can be said about vehicles, because as I said, they just come from war thunder. A quick look at war thunder’s wiki will show you that there aren’t much more vehicles left to add.

So what content can come to the game in the future ?
New maps ? Yes, of course, but we basically get one map each year and that’s it, and additionally, you can get quickly bored of it, especially if the map is not well designed.
New classes ? Same story as the equipment and vehicle ones, the devs seem to be running out of things to add, especially when we see the latest class that was added with the mixed feelings from the players about it.
That just leaves new events, which is fine, but if the rewards are uninteresting, or if the event is too grindy/boring, there really won’t be a lot of incentive to play the game at all, especially if you’ve already unlocked everything in the trees.

So I am going to say something controversial: Shouldn’t we just ask for enlisted to merge with war thunder and become a part of the war thunder infantry mode ?

From what I can see, the feedback about the latest test of war thunder’s infantry mode is very positive, especially about the 64 vs 64 players mode: war thunder can afford to do such modes because they have a huge player base, and sadly, enlisted is still stuck with the equivalent of a small fraction of war thunder’s playerbase, and the numbers of enlisted players just seem to be stagnating at best (which could also be attributed to the fact that the content delivery has been very meagre lately). Enlisted having a small playerbase, it cannot afford to make the same 64 vs 64 players mode, and since the game is out, we are still stuck with those stupid bot squads. I know that the devs have always tried to improve things in that regard, but bots are still underwhelming overall. I don’t know if war thunder will have these two separate modes (one with bot squads and the other with only real players), but the “players only mode” in enlisted is not that great honestly, for a variety of reasons, one of which being the fact that the teams seem to be too small in my opinion, which is understandable, because the playerbase isn’t big enough to make the same 64 vs 64 mode like in war thunder

Now, with all these things in mind, what do you think about this proposition ?

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Well some TT tanks and planes are locked behind a paywall in War Thunder, like the Panzer 3 N. And Premium tanks in enlisted are TT in war thunder, like the Panzer 3 M. So I’m not sure how that would work.
And some players might play war thunder already, so how would the merge work? Will they keep their Premium squads? Or will they be forced to buy them again?

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I guess that in case of a merge you could get a GE compensation if you have a tank that is a premium in enlisted and a tt vehicle in wt, and you could get the premium vehicle in wt if you have obtained the tt vehicle in enlisted. Compensations for premium time already exists in both games, and the ww2 premium vehicles in wt aren’t the most expensive, and the enlisted playerbase is quite small compared to the wt one.

In my opinion, everything points to the fact that enlisted will soon be a dead end: we won’t get anything after ww2, most ww1 weapons are already in the game in the case we get ww1 one day, and we will likely never get more factions either.

So that leaves just two things: new maps and events. We tend to have one new map each year, so it is very slow, and for the events, half of the weapons rewards are weapons from past BPs or already existing weapons with slightly different skins.

I love this game, but if these are the only things we’re going to get in the coming years, then I think the future of this game is looking quite bleak, because obviously it won’t attract many new players, and the playerbase will just slowly bleed out, because players will have unlocked everything, and there won’t be any meaningful content added.

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Please refrain from discussing War Thunder on Enlisted. World War I and World War II are the issues relevant to Enlisted. Furthermore, the development team is currently working on a new project for War Thunder; that’s their own business. Enlisted only needs to maintain its own game content. If you like War Thunder, play War Thunder. If you like Enlisted, offer constructive suggestions and spend money on it. Don’t treat things that don’t exist as established facts; otherwise, I’ll have to consider you a troublemaker for War Thunder.

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I can’t emphasize it enough: Enlisted is the better kid in the room.

War Thunder has so many issues inherited and many of them are no long solvable, for example the ground RB mode is entirely broken, and the compression problem which, despite the loud voice of community, isn’t getting solved for years, maybe for 5 years at this point.

This is yet to mention the fact that WT is 5 times more grindy and that entire game and their team is greedy as F, they can absolutely choose to not care about their player’s experience when they could grab money by releasing OP content, if you played the game before you know they intentionally make everything freshly released OP, so that players are forced to grind new things, or just pay for the quick access; By the time the majority of the players have it they’ll just nerf it up in preparation of new contents. Also, most of the premium vehicles are just blatantly OP, period.

I’m glad that Enlisted on the most part don’t have those BS. People complain about this game yes, but this is nothing, not remotely close to how WT is. If anything WT shouldn’t thread in Enlisted’s water and I’d much much prefer to play cold war and modern warfare in this game. Enlisted’s devs are way more creative, they tune balances way better, they release more thoughtful contents despite the visible lacks of resources compare with WT. The maps of this game is just gorgeous both artistically and game-play wise, and as a game dev myself I can assure you guys that these maps are just about the best you’ll get anywhere.

Please god (Snail god?) I love this game, don’t make it merge into WT, and please grant this game with a bright future, I don’t want to see the potential of this game wasted just to satiate the money hungry WT.

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I played WT for a year or so, but got tired of it strictly being a vehicle game. Then I found Enlisted four plus years ago and have only fired up WT a couple times. I haven’t played WT, just fired it up to see what has changed. When they get the infantry up for all, I will try it, but I currently have it uninstalled since it is a Steam game and I am conserving my hard drive space.

As far as WW1 goes. I think Gaijin should keep it as a permanent BR level, but then they would also feel the need to add more maps, which would take time away from them adding any future WW2 maps like Iwo Jima, Saipan, Okinawa, Manila and some European maps.

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Problem is, devs who make the maps aren’t the same as the one who make weapons, the ones who make vehicles (which are wt devs in this case). And at the moment, we’re basically at a rhythm of one new map per year basically. And I doubt that this pace of map releases will attract new players or even help the game keep its playerbase, for example I just played Manchuria for the first time this morning. Was it good ? Yeah that was good, but I won’t try to play this map to death either. The thing that made me come back in the recent days after months of not playing the game is the ww1 event, which is just the recycling of last year’s wt april fools event (and technically, wt did ww1 a year before enlisted) and when you see last year’s enlisted april fools event, which was basically the recycling of cuisine royale assets with a game mode that was just mid at best, we can’t say that the enlisted devs have been very creative lately. The original team (darkflow) is gone and we’re just left with a reduced team. Two years ago, we had a roadmap for the year, but now we have nothing, and we’re at the point where we can count the overall additions to the trees on one hand’s fingers. If content continues to be delivered at this pace, then the game will just see its playerbase slowly bleed out, and the problems are that there isn’t much content left to add in the trees, because we won’t go beyond ww2, and even if there was still plenty of content to add, the teams making content for the game seem to be way too reduced to deliver in meaningful volumes. And it’s not the gambling boxes available for a short time after each update that will make me come back, at least for me personally. With all this in mind, I have no idea how the future of this game could be bright. Enlisted doesn’t seem to have become the cash cow that gaijin wanted it to be, and it doesn’t seem that they will invest in this game more, especially when we see that they’re adding infantry to wt now.

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You’ve described at least 5 more maps, and at this rate, it will take at least 5 years to see them all added to the game if they keep this pace.

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And that, my friend, hurts, because it is the fact.

No sure where this game will be going towards, but the current state indeed doesn’t look good.

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TBH, I doubt most of those maps will ever be added.