Reducing the M1 Garands reload

The benefit to the game this would bring is to make the M1 Garand more competitive at BR 3 compared to its counterparts with 10 round clips and in the case of the Johnson topping off at any time.

The reasoning is that it should be much faster to load compared to its counterparts because of how its reload works. For most guns the reload cycle is as follows. Open bolt/remove mag→Insert clip/mag→close bolt/rack bolt. The Garand however functions very differently as the bolt automatically locks open after running dry and automatically shuts after inserting the clip. Resulting in the reload cycle being only inserting the clip making it only a 1 stage reload compared to the normal 3. The alternate reload is slower because you have to pull the bolt back to eject the clip but this is still only a 2 stage reload making it the same speed as a normal alternate reload.

Based on this one could argue for the reloads being as low as 1 second and 2 seconds respectively as this is the average time of a stage in most reloads but I think a more conservative 2 seconds and 2.8 seconds respectively works better.

This also would result in more use of the doctrine the gun was really used with, only reloading once the gun is empty. An idea that could increase immersion and encourage this more would be not getting the clip back on an alternate reload. The reasoning behind this being that you would have a hard time catching the clip once it’s ejected and even if you did all the rounds would have fallen out because there would no longer be tension holding them in place. I am not sure this would be a good idea but it could balance out a faster reload if you think it’s too OP and offers a unique feature to work around.

As always any feedback or input is requested and appreciated.

Would you like to see the reload time reduced?

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Would you like to see no clip returned on an alternate reload.

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this game has too fast reloading overall, if anything reduce reload speed across the board for everything in-game

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IMO the Garand has pretty ok reload speed, but if the gas trap Garand was introduced at BR3 and the current gas port version was buffed and moved to BR 4 that would make sense with other buffs too.

go play hell let loose if you want slower paced gameplay.

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Considering that it is only a one stage reload and is slower than many 3 stage ones I would disagree.
A gas trap Garand might even work at BR2 if you look at the Fedorave stats.

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The Johnson is a former BR IV rifle that was down-tiered without any stat changes, it’s relaod is far too fast and should be reduced.

The Garand does not need a reload buff. It has a fast single-reload from empty to full, in exchange for two less rounds than the standard ten and no ability to top-off. That’s its intended balance roll, it’s not weakness it’s flavour.

By the way, notice that you are not arguing for the buff because the Garand is weak against it’s enemy counterparts…? That alone says this is unnessesary and just power creep.

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I didnt mention them specificly but there are several. I will have to the get back to you on that but in the meantime check out the stats on the Fedorov rifle 1912

Another thing is we are missing a BR4 rifle in the TT and coincidentally we don’t have any British or commonwealth TT semi auto (spare the m 1 carbs as lend lease) and Japan is still missing a BR4 rifle. Personally I think the M1 Garand and 1941 Johnson are good as they stand.

BR4 rifles needs to be more than 10+ rounds and semi auto.

The real counterparts are not to be found among the Allies, but among the Axis and the Japanese. And specially the german counterpart (Gewehr 41) is far worse (talking about reload). And even Type 4 rifle has long reload, compared to M1 Garand.

So no, M1 Garand needs no reload buff.

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The G 41 and the Type 4 aren’t very good in terms of handling ether.

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go play Fortnite if you want faster reloads. This game would do so much better with more realistic gamepace, especially since it’s built on a lot of mechanics and features that don’t come into it’s right becasue of the too arcadey fast gameplay. you don’t understand whats best for the game, all you can think about is I want to rush and pray n spray and be the fastest and frag, No though whatsoever beyond that

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agree to disagree. that’s half the reason why i prefer this game over say hell let loose.

go make everything super realistic and let’s see how many players you have left, mr don’t know what’s right for the game.

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You can want that but thats complety unrelated. The point is to have the one stage reload be faster comparativly than the 3 stage ones.

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I dont mind as long as they buff g41 and type 4 rifle properly, or place the g43 to br3 of course with rebalancing

There can be a more realistic approach and still not hit lvl of HLL you know.
a moderate healthy dose of realism to this game to make it come to its right

After looking into this further I would like to revise my suggestion to 2.5 seconds and 3 seconds.