Well even with your 50/50 chance even if bolt wins it still takes out only 5 people in 2-4 seconds
While ppsh with same odds takes out 71 people in 2-4 seconds.
No idea what the fk the long range does in cqc discussion.
And I can always take rifle as second weapon for ppsh squad if I feel the need for it.
where do you get 71 people…75 round mag, 3-4 shots per kill, but in reality ends up being 10-20 shots per kill because the high rate of fire burst redundant rounds.
good point, so entire team is already dead before the ppsh runs out of ammo.
Which definitely aint the case with BA.
Well we are now speaking of 100% accuracy scenario so its all headshots.
Well in reality this entire discussion about BA being superior to PPsh in CQC is absolutely most retarded discussion ive had in my life so far.
ahh, so you think when I said rifles are more efficient (in regards to ammo per kill) = bolt actions superior…nope try again.
Well its not even more efficient than PPSh. So regardless how you want to rephrase your argument its still absolutely most retarded argument ive heard so far.
didn’t rephrase anything. its all there, 3rd post. referring to bullet to kill ratio. rifle is more efficient on ammo needed to kill ratio…
undeniable as you like to say.
Bullet to kill ratio ? Well you know what ?
PPSh has better Bullets in magazine ratio
PPSh has better bullet distribution ratio
PPSh has better continuous sound ratio
PPSh has better spent cartridge disposal ratio
Are we now competiting which one of us can make up more ridiculous completely fking stupid ratios?
I warn you, ive got no pants and im ready to make up some serious ratios here.
Uhm no. PPsh requires 1 bullet to kill, headshot. Skill issue if you cant do it.
irrelevant. Whats relevant is I made a statement that you read wrong, and wrongly in your own words made it about something its not.
yay so under 50 meters it requires headshot to get 1 shot kill…so its on par with a rifles first shot and completely dependent on the users ability to make that shot…yup…said that aswell.
Damn pardon me, your arguments keeps jumping from 20% accuracy to 100% accuracy and something in between so its quite hard to follow what the actual fk are you trying to say here.
Good so it all falls down to
PPSh has better Bullets in magazine ratio
PPSh has better bullet distribution ratio
PPSh has better continuous sound ratio
PPSh has better spent cartridge disposal ratio
So we got a clear winner here.
Oh yeah sorry, forgot to say its PPSh. So you dont magically get confused here.
Again misquoted, I never lead with anything about 100% accuracy, I was asked a scenario to assume it by someone else. I did say that most players dont get better than 10-20% accuracy, which really doesn’t change anything…so whatever youre driving at…its meager
and none of those other ratios come in to play if you don’t make it past the first round out. and quite frankly half of them make no sense. you can do better
well if your assuming BA has anykind of chance against PPSh in CQC you do require the 100% accuracy.
Well it actually does if with 20% accuracy you hit 1 shot from 5 bullets while with ppsh you hit 14.
Did it ever occur to you why majority of people quit answering to you ?
Perhaps its because none of your “arguments” makes any sense ?
But yeah, as said ive got no pants and shit load of time to waste.
Try again.
thats not how accuracy works. its per bullet…which means same number of bullets on target. so at 20% 10 rounds to land 2 shots with a rifle can easily be 2 kills. For PPSH those 2 shots that land have to be headshot and under 50 meters to kill. otherwise…2 hits wont kill you anything
hence the efficiency comment.
Per bullet ? So with each shot rifle has 1/5 of chance to hit and then theres the reload and all that shit
And then we have ppsh that has rof of +1000 and each bullet has 20% of chance to hit
SO the odds aint looking too good for ya buddy.
Try another ratio.
LOL…and there it is. probably shoulda stopped before, even though you were misunderstanding. you sounded smarter. Clearly not grasping the concept of how it works while still trying to be smug. Doesn’t matter what the percent chance is, result is the same.
its been fun
You are really the peak performance of Enlisted Moscow Allies Debate Crew. You can’t comprehend even basic steps of logic nor causality.
What I can’t comprehend is why you chose, and stick, to BA’s over PPSh in CQB “High Talented Player Scenario” read The Best of The Game.
Why didn’t you debate for ZH-29? 1HK or guaranteed 2HK dmg, 10 rounds per clip, fast reload. ZH would have had a slim chance against another squad, but yet still it lacks the speed and efficiency of PPSh.
Your argument is false, stupid, and I don’t know if you’re really just trolling or are you a mirror of your arguments.
Edit: “invaders” to “another squad”
Well after we debunked all of your arguments so far you came up with this
“Bullet to death kill” ratio
Now your speaking of accuracy, that is not accuracy but accuracy of bullet but not that bullet but the bullet that hits but not the bullet that misses but the other bullet we we’re speaking of.
Yeah your just beyond so smart that we mere humans cant really follow your logic anymore.
Here’s what was learned. You weren’t alone
-you failed at critical reading ability, misquotation, comprehension, picking and choosing key words in a sentence. The original misquote says bolt actions and battle rifles (so yes, I did say zh). “You” completely fixated on bolt actions.
-you failed at general maths, and understanding of how accuracy works, and efficiency ratios. Shown by thinking a smg hits more with the same accuracy per bullet because it’s magazine Is bigger…derp
-(*edit my bad this was the other guy, just sounded alike. I apologize) you showed you would make things up to support your case with no hint of foundation or supporting evidence. " I saw you on bottom of scoreboard therefore your opinion is worthless" That doesn’t fly after preschool. Not to mention this is stupid because that would make me a noob or average Joe, which you are arguing needs the game to be better balanced for…so you would insult those you claim to be speaking for and in the same sentence say because they are noobs their opinion is irelevant. Now that is retarded. You basically agreed with me, game shouldn’t be balanced around these.
-you showed lack of character, resorting to aggressivlely insulting with every response to compensate for lack of Witt or ability to form a relevant objective rebuttal. Which in fairness you can’t do because you didn’t comprehend it on the first place
-misunder stood that opinions are not fact just because people agree with you or it’s more popular
-denial, you debunked nothing. Bullet to kill ratio was in the intitial quote before you even responded. because you never comprehended and misquoted. Infact you did the opposite. Since your maths was wrong and was clearly shown, you had no idea what you were talking about. You keep saying you are wasting your time, but your ego keeps you responding
-insecure. God forbid you made a mistake, let’s not admit it though let’s be childish. That last post though…the one above this one…was the pinnacle of stupid
So take solice in that you have some company that can agree with you to make you feel relevant. Cos basically, you got nothing and not likely to be noticed or even taken seriously in regards to having anything you think should be changed.
I don’t need to be taken seriously. Doesn’t really matter what they change or don’t, I’m not asking for anything. If you get your way that’s just better for me
That’s about the crux of it.
Gentlemen,
I present the true OP SMG of Moscow.
Why?
No drum, so people save shots which makes it better and more accurate (dunno why that makes the gun better… dont question it) and most important… its German so no one dares to insult glorious innocent Soviet master stuff.
Oh… we have another shit story now why the PPSh supposes to suck now… too bad.
Hello example number 2.
Still on the Soviet Gulag cope train?