Im ok with rng upgrades, but i dont like how they made weapon deliveries (2-3t ticket crates), as these actually turns against people like me. And i have actually adressed this here: 0.1.13.25 поставки оружия / лимит кампании
Upgrade system was actually a lot criticized earlier by a russian community, but it became clear that the system wont be changed so our community is not forcing this anymore. Like there was said more than enough, it’s not like it has passed unnoticed by devs, so no point repeating all over again.
Every biased journalist or player tending to see p2w everywhere will write such thing with almost every progression system monetized as f2p game. Unless its completely free with skins only. Lets be honest - can you believe the game will earn enough money with SKINS? I dont believe. And if it doesnt - there is no point in remaking the whole system. This game has much to offer and people are going to love it with cons and pros even as p2w game.
Moreover - i dont call every game that offers purchases as p2w. I know games where people are spending thousands of dollars and this is what i call p2w. This game wont be that bad. Like having ‘a need’ to spend 100 bucks on a game isnt a big deal, especially if it offers you a free path by playing 1000 hours achieving same things (or similar progression).
Neither I believe that F2P game can survive only on skins, that is why I want things like premium squads/weapons etc. to retain their bonus that makes progression faster, while not being mandatory to have fair chance in match or completely break the game (aka current premium squads or War Thunder top tier premiums).
There is difference between healthy monetization and gambling. Huge difference.
In fact, if we monetize RNG we are not only making it heavily P2W, we are also making the game outright dangerous by implementing gambling mechanisms.
That is the aspect that will be looked upon the most. Nobody will give a hell about premium soldiers or weapons giving certain not overpowered boosts to your convenience.
I said that before and ill repeat it once again - i believe and i hope that loot boxes won’t be monetized directly. Means no direct purchases of tickets. No shop with guns. No way to buy upgrade parts directly. Under this circumstance i’ll stay loyal. Once it changes - you’ll see me crying and howling here, be sure.
excluding squad packs, excluding premium bonuses and other stuff directly affecting progression speed and as result indirectly increasing your profit, we wont be able to avoid these, but we can indeed avoid this direct purchases where you throw unlimited amount of money to bypass RNG upgrades. This way it makes upgrade system a bit fair for me, even through its gambling.
Lets hope they dont.
Considering you’re playing for free a game you like? Yes. Surely 100/1000 rate isnt a real calculation i would like to see, but generally i find this ‘ok’.
No instead we will get 30$ soldiers that are REQUIRED to compete with other players for each nation and campaign. This is objective as you cannot be COMPETITIVE with an objective disadvantage.
I would prefer to just pay 30$ up front to access the campaign and immediately have the normal good gear
And technically you are still putting your time into gambling. Your time is worth money.
Even if you spend those 30$ the rating for your time does not improve.
With war thunder at least your valued time doubles thanks to having double XP rate etc.
But what does it matter if you are still 100% reliant on the mercy of RNG?
The ONLY way to prevent this is to tell the developers to stop. I literally do not care if they said they dont want to change it because it HAS to for the health of the game. At this point the game is no longer a WW2 shooter, but is 50% casino. Even if they don’t monetize the RNG, you think they will stop at a 50% fail chance? Next update, 55% chance. Update after that, 60% chance. Sneakily making the grind worse and worse but just barely keeping it doable for the most loyal players is what Gaijin EXCELS in.
A ‘casino’ - often used term to describe current system by russian side. We know, they know, everyone knows. You’ll free to talk and protest, just dont wonder others dont do that. For me this is is already in past, i’m moving forward.
I will wait to see the game die within the first 2 months, until nobody but people like moo are left and the game will be on life support without any funds for new updates or new campaigns and I’ll watch it whither away slowly.
Honestly if you have to rely on the shittiest progression known to man to give yourself purpose to play a game, maybe start considering it a job.
You can’t blame people for trying to save a playerbase from turning into gamblers, either.
Its hard enough as it is already to get those parts. I think upgrade chance should be guaranteed at least, since you need to go through two layers of RNG. (Getting weapon from lootbox and getting good amount of parts from it)
Doubling the amount of resources to make chance 100% is I think bandage solution.
if there is one thing that i don’t understand, if i want to have fun, in a realistic setting games that proclaim to actually recreate historical battles but than i get to use a bubble gum… i have to spend 10000 hours like a second job? in order to compete with the standard forces that i encounter?
progression is important, but i don’t think has been the best update so far. yes, it is truee that things might change.
and i’m glad that you, and your friends have fun with the current system, but why can’t i?.
for the same reasons that you manage to find it ok, it’s not for us.
like, considering my position, i love playing enlisted. but this tidious system does not allow me to play it properly and enjoying it. as i don’t have much time during the whole week due to work, until the weekend, and getting wiped because i dont have the best russian equipment to somewhat counter the germans. or viceversa.
it’s just limiting the purpouse of a game. having fun.
at the same time, i do agree with you that progession is what makes you a bit attached to the game, feeling rewarded.
but not when i wasted hours of my life for seeying 75/94 gears disappear in front of my face.
and i don’t think that " moving " on is a solution at all…
failure chance VERY bad mechanic
already to upgrade gun must go level up entire equipment tree of specific squad gun in order to have enough parts to upgrade
it already require parts which are got from cards (which run out once finish campaign) but also have chance to fail which mean all parts from guns got is gone
dumb mechanic
This mechanic is just dumb i spent 4 HOURS grinding for parts just to have it fail. 4 HOURS gone all because i have a 50% to upgrade a gun no other game has a percentage system that tells you if the upgrade happens or not. 4 HOURS
The ones that used to actively demand improvements for various systems are almost entirely gone now. Found something better to do with their time. At least until Enlisted is significantly improved. Because at the moment nothing gets done and one accomplishes very little by arguing with the “game’s perfect, don’t like it don’t play it” people.
Honestly I felt the same pain you did at the very moment I saw the picture.
Sadly, this will become a norm. Darkflow is not going to get away with this upon release in gaijin style (as recent updates show, gaijin can screw people as much as they want to in War Thunder because at this point game is too big to have major effect) and will pay dearly for leaving this as it is. (By which I mean bad PR on release which will effectively kill a game)
If devs want to make grind insufferable, at least remove failure chances to not make it outright unplayable. But that is bare minimum of what should be done.
And I am making sure the bad PR will get out there, already talking to some other CCs.
Sorry but if they think it is okay to make the players suffer, I will be okay with killing their game and ruining their company.
