4 Tier is too little. You put panzer 3 and m3 lee on the same tier? There is many panzer 3 variant. You want 37mm panzer 3 vs m3 lee? How about panzer 2 ? How can they fight m3 lee?
who cares about Panzer III b if you have Panzer III J? its practically the same vehicle just a more serious version of it.
This isn’t even about diversity, instead diversity should mean that you have multiple options to choose from instead of having only one viable vehicle at each BR - which should be the focus of BR.
There is no point in having a Panzer IV F2 higher or lower in the BR than a T34. Instead the devs should make sure that both vehicles are equally strong. Each BR needs to have “equal” counterparts instead of having 10 BR ratings each being unbalanced in its own way
You won’t get much diversity from it, people will just use the best stuff of a br.
This is basically the situation now? In campaign system every tank have its counterpart. People that complain about tank balance is mainly about the unbalance of low level and high level tank. For example, t50 vs panzer2 and 37mm panzer3. The same problem will still happen again in your tier1.
Uptier/downtier is way more cancerous than 4 tiers that could encounter only stuff from the same tier in my opinion.
Downtiering is just one of the thousands reasons why players want to immediately leave match.
That’s basically current situation. Is it problem? I don’t think so. Since tank to tank combat really isnt that relevant in this game.
Pz. II wasn’t even used to primarily fight tanks during Barbarossa. At thia point, it was completely outdated vehicle.
And I don’t even speak about pz II vs west allies lmao (not counting france).
Yeah, that’s why they should add more vehicles rather than few versions of pz III tank on same tier.
For example stug with short barrel or even stuh, or marders. There’s lot of stuff.
Br shouldn’t be just about 2 tanks that are completely balanced with chance to downtier where “balance” doesn’t mean a thing anyway lol.
It’s completely hilarious to think 10 br levels will be balanced. Nah, pz II will be most likely still facing tanks that it cannot pen.
4 separated tiers would be more balanced in the end. Since your whole set up wouldn’t be underpowered when downtiered.
They should just make 4 levels: prewar + 1939/1940 + 1941/1942 + 1943/1944 + 1945 and completely rework stats for certain weapons.
For example there’s no point for fedorov to be so good. Acting like some kind of allien futuristic weapon.
Balancing thing via 10 tiers where uptiering is thing anyway is just hilarious. It will never be balanced and it will have 0 immersion. It will be just frustrating and sad to see.
he usually is, however I would say he’s got a point, back in CBT people started complaining when the first “better armored” vehicles got introduced, because the original “idea” of the game was that even low tier tanks would have a fair chance against high tier tanks - upgrades yes, but not immortal killing machines compared to starter tanks.
This idea was thrown into the trash can - people complained - eventually people got used to it.
I would say ever since the Jumbo was added to the game this discussion was completely forgotten, because now you had “Panzer IV vs Jumbo” as direct counterparts, which was so incredibly imbalanced that people obviously had a new thing to rant about.
The idea of balance was even from the community abandoned, because now every time two new line up tanks got introduced, balance was no where to be found. Which resulted in people asking for more powerful tanks as counters instead of fixing the problem that already existed.
I myself am also guilty of this, because I asked for a Panzer IV F2 as a fair rival to Moscow’s new T34s, instead of asking for a Panzer III j1 buff.
Which is probably one of biggest factors for people expecting new matchmake.
While I dont really give a fk about tanks its still part of the game and having played moscow as axis the
“Ass-ymmetrical” balance doesnt exactly exist there.
Aka tank fights were rather one sided and eventually it became a exhausting chore to flank around the map to deal with the tank with detpack or grb since germut tanks had little to none chance in tank on tank combat.
Sure the F2 brought a fighting chance and balanced the tank combat to somewhat acceptable level, but as expected from DF it came years too late.
Lowest tiers should get pampered aka not getting in matches with no more than 1 BR rate higher.
aka pz2 for example shouldnt have issues dealing with t60 / t26 / bt7 as well as t60 shouldnt have issues dealing with early pz3’s.
And we currently have the “timeline” setup which never worked in moscow for example.
The soviet stalinium hardened steel proved to be rather gamebreaking as well as the soviet craftsmanship aka comparable to sniper ppsh & fedorovs.
Adjustments to these has been asked about as long as they have been in the game and not much have changed.
Instead they decided to add F2 to combat glorious sovjet tanks.
So tbh im not exactly expecting any nerfs / adjustments to soviet equipment anytime soon.
Which is also why I think this “timeline” setup doesnt exactly work.
Nah, it’s because of 2 vs 6 real players matches. Balance of equipment never was an issue. Tank balance is literally nothing in comparison to this.
And if your setup is going to be downtiered, I bet lot of people will quit the matches immediately. Since unlike WT, there’s no relevant punishment for it.
Pretty much is in moscow.
No matter how much people argue about it, if you throw 2 equally “skilled” teams against each other in moscow the team with better equipment will win.
The fact that ive got rather high winrate in moscow hardly is a justification, steamrolling noobs even if they have better equipment hardly is a problem in any campaign.
The disparity problem arises when you get a decent opponent with better equipment, which is what the matchmake is about to bring which also is the reason why we need balanced equipment / balanced BR tiers