Normandy campaign's balance

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Switched to play Normandy campaign after completed Berlin+Moscow.
I have been playing this campaign from Dec 2020? But only very occasionally. And its my least favorite campaign by now. (Worse than Tunis) But now, I bought 2 premium squads, and started to play more often than before.

As far as I noticed, it seems that Normandy allies side not only tend to have less humans, and tend to have players with low campaign levels. Also tend to lose a lot.
From the most recent matches I played, both Axis and Allies side. UNLESS, Axis side is really doing nothing, just camping and refuse to enter sectors, and Allies side has tons of human with top tier weapons, or Axis side players just quit for random reasons. Allies side will always lose.

Also due to this unbalance situation, creating huge campaign level gap of players. Most players I know, and it’s what I will tell new players, to set Normandy Allies faction at the least important faction to play. Thus many German side players is having top tier weapons, while US side has basic weapons.

And my personal opinion of weapons&vehicles.
US side literally ONLY has the jumbo+A-20, with some good, but not at significant advantages weapons.
While there’s LOTS of very powerful or even unbalanced weapons&vehicles at German side. Like PZ3N (good at AP), Panther A, MG/FG/STG. Also the Ju188 A2.

Also creating another really funny situation:
Because of this significant unbalance, lots of players tend to play Normandy Axis faction for casual gameplay. Or in other word: not that willing to play, but still attending the match. Because this faction is a “easy mode” to play.
German side has poorer willingness to play. Many times, German side players will quit as long as some slight disadvantage. And also much more tend to camping NOT playing for the objects. In contrast, I am pretty surprised that so many players choose to keep playing to the end, even if they definitely going to lose.

This caused German side statistic not that “OP” like the real situation. Lots of unwilling to play players in German side hides the fact. Letting dev who only paying attention to the server statistic, thinking this campaign is not that unbalanced.

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NONO jumbo OP give maus rn, germany suffers needs V-2 rockets.

(btw the A20 sucks.)

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i dont necessarily think that there are fewer players on the allied side. i think its just the endless horde of new/bad players flooding the server. and normandy allies is probably the most picked first faction for new players

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I’m pretty sure it’s the most balanced one accroing to their server statistics. And it’s also absurd to consider Pz3N as something unbalanced, so unbalanced that cannot even pen Stuart unless face to face.

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the panzer3N can go through via the turret ring and the stuart’s MG port if going head to head, but other than that the 3N can go through the sides of all allied tank just fine

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well…

let’s not forget that people makes balance.

cuz i remember very well how germons did worse before the panther and how " hard / stressfull " it was.

and no, i’m even nearly implying that " germany suffer ".

but as i played normandy since day one, as a german, and american, i used to know, and still remember that the allied won most of the times.

so i don’t really see why everyone is hating on normandy.

because in a veterans eyes like mine, the problem stands in the non existant matchmaker based to experience, play time, skills or to the very least campaigns levels ( which was announced in Q & A of june. although, i dont like this balancement. because new people that buy premium will end up facing stronger foes. so… i see more troubles than proes )

but still.

i wouldn’t call it easy, because there are less human as you just said.
and the recent unlocks does not incentivize to grind the ally anymore.

but… ( i speculate ) it’s all around campaign levels. those are so powerfull to make massive players horde to go in one campaign. just like the tiger and panther.

one of the worst scenario i have ever whitenessed in gaming industries ( not the worst… but not appealing to my eyes ) but proved to work…

so it’s just about matter of time i think.

( but that’s just what i think. of course )

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Well I don’t wanna grind 20+ levels to unlock a mediocre M1A1 Thompson with the sight sway on fucking steroids. So naturally some people have abandoned Normandy until they see some improvements in upcoming patches.

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Yes it’s definitely unbalanced, but the main reason is that it’s too easy for Germans to pin down allies with their tanks. You will notice that Allies have no tanks at all. It’s very rare to see a Sherman while Nazis often have Panzer IV and Panther.

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I played 3 Normandy games as allies today and won all of them. M2 really melts enemies, great for close to medium defense. Didn’t see a single Panther. I used Jumbo on that beach landing with the bunker but I had a good team that ran straight to capture, so I didn’t get that many kills.

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According to standards of some people here Normandy would be unbalanced if allies cannot stomp axis like in other 3 campaigns it’s so obvious. Moscow now just T28E vs Pz II exp farmer, Tunisia completely a ghost house and Berlin dependent on time and server, 80% time still PPsh vs Kar98k exp farmer

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According to my own stats I have 30% win rate on Normandy (and I’m usually in the top 3 of my team) as compared to 60% in Moscow. The fact that Normandy is unbalanced isn’t even open to discussion. Of course I didn’t pay to get a Jumbo.

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Yes, alliance players are very spoiled and nerf hungry.

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Yep that is why the axis players constantly bitched about Germany suffering on this forums, yep the allied are nerf hungry not the axis at all

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actually it skill less player like you that drag the game down as a whole i cant compete with out my crutch nooooooooo my crutch i need fg42 to be good nooooo dont nerf

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After playing nothing but Normandy for the last few weeks with well over 500 matches in it. The allies have way better equipment.
No one really uses smgs so i can’t comment even though i own every smg in the campaign.
The lmgs, the breda is just bad with its plodding rof, the mg34 and 42 as really really inaccurate although easy to control.
The bar, all models including the polish one, are god tier, they cut through anything with precision.
The big points.
The tank to tank and the infantry to tank
The puma and stuart are fine starters, nothing excellent.
The m8 and the pz3, how anyone in their right mind doesn’t think the m8 is wildly overpowered both crushing infantry and vehicles even higher level vehicles is crazy, it takes so little effort to just clean a cap with HE then 1 bomb anything german from the puma to the pz4H with HEAT while frail itself it’s surprisingly tanky to even the panther, I’d replace either it with a 25pdr armed British tank or the pz3 with STuH SPG.
Sherman and pz4j are fine pretty much, I’d maybe swap the J with a G, less protection but a better mobility.
The jumbo, the jumbo, a tank basically nothing on the German team including the panther can pen without hitting only the tiniest possible weakpoints which you’re never doing when they love to sit so far back in the grey zone, having checked the stats of the panther and jumbo, the jumbo has about 143mm of armour with a 45% slope, the panther should have 185mm of pen for apcbc so should lolpen but it doesn’t even come close unless you elevate to completely remove the angle of the front plate, i would be fine losing the panther if the jumbas was replaced by a superior model of Sherman, like one with a 76mm, about on par with a pz4H and not so much better than anything else it’s a must pick, if that did happen i would be happy to let the m10 be replaced by either the Achilles or m36 jackson to counter the panther although i would rather see the panther replaced with the tiger as it has less penetration but was also more common on the western front at this time than the panther.
The USAAF vs the luftwaffe
The existence of the p38, p47 and a20 emascualtes the luftwaffe, the p38 is more than capable of instakilling the panther with a direct hit or any smaller vehicle, as well as a sizeable chunk of infantry… through walls sometimes and has the same weapons the p47 has which rips through planes, tank roofs and infantry, the a20 while less important now is still way more capable than the 188 actually being able to defend itself and deliver a similar bombload, the p47, i don’t even think i need to explain how jacked hvars are against anything.
The allies also adopt more unscrupulous tactics like excessive explosive pack spam but they’re also generally lower in the brain cell count.
I know it’s going be said “ackchually the fg42 and stg are overpowered”, okay i admit the stg is by far the best “smg” in the game maybe behind the ppsh by a little but it’s not overpowered especially when the pocket ppsh m2 carbine exists and the fg has way too much recoil and way too little ammo to be used beyond smg range when the gewehr has much better stability.
If you think i missed anything ask me and i shall carefully explain why the allies are the better faction and no one seriously thinks X allied thing is actually not an issue

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oh…you’re one of those players

MG34/42 are not run and gun type of LMGs while BARs are

M8 scott is thinly armored while PZ3N has some armor, M8 scot has a commander that can’t keep his head down so get use to 2 crewmates, while PZ3N can take out everything in 1-2 shot with it’s APHE and HE is good against infantry.

bf110 is as effective as thunderbolt AT LEVEL 4 while the current state of the USAAF is glitched if one p-38G is flown then no a-20s or thunderbolts can be in there, while the FK190 is largely fixed and can fly with bf110 while using the same rockets.

i have literally seen the axis throw away a point on the cuffs of victory on the first point…

m2 doesn’t have the damage to back it up and the M2 has high recoil when on full auto while awful sights means semi auto isn’t that viable so it’s best to use as a discount LMG.

FG42’s recoil is only noticeable on full auto but other than that no recoil, you can actually hit people at distant while having more ammo than most semi automatics.

if you ask me my qualifications, i would say i have 600 games in total with each side having around 300 games played each.

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So one set of mgs should be eternally damned to be inaccurate at point blank range, no that’s bs
The pz3 will still blow up in 1 HEAT to the ufp same as the pz4s
The 110 has HE loaded in the 37mm and flies like a bus in space and the rockets both don’t damage tanks and don’t do much to infantry
There is literally no issue with the p38 as i saw a p47 following a p38 for an attack with my AA gun so you can have 2 planes
The m2 has 8 damage a bullet it’s literally a 2 torso 1 head
The recoil is high but not ridiculous
The fg42 even the sniper variant is really inaccurate as bullets come out the gun 20° off the scopes crosshair and even then the recoil means you can’t double tap people
The 190 is still garbzand takes all of its ammo loadto kill a plane, the rockets are the same dogwater the 110 gets and the 190 is like flying the car from initial d.
Yeah I’m “one of those players”… one of the very few with a brain and free thought

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Seems nobody has mentioned Normandy’s maps especially the beach maps and airfield where it basically turns into a shooting range for Germany when the Allies fail to push a single point. There are maps that a Panther can just sit from a safe distance and kill every tank they see on the beach when none of the Allies have planes.

They are also one of the factions that spam tanks the most with lots of them being Stuarts even in maps like Ruins of Vaux that’s easy to die by explosive pack or panzerfaust without infantry support. There were some matches where even full STG, FG42 and MG squads are still a struggle when Allies have high level weapons and even worse, tank and air support combined alongside brain dead teammates that don’t know how to hold a single cap or a way to counter such high level arsenal.

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and what good is that if you are stuck in gunner’s sight meaning you are extremely blind.

bf110 has similar flight preforms to thunder bolt and it also has 30mm explosive guns that everyone seems to overlook

they only don’t harm tanks, infantry however they rape. it’s one of the reasons why i didn’t switch to the ju-188

that was very much as p-38J not the p-38G, p-38J is a higher unlock while P-38G is a lvl 4

8 damage is a 2 shot still, so it’s just like SMGS and one in the head is somewhat possible

it was ridiculous, now it’s manageable with bursts or proned

maybe out to 75+ meters but definitely not within 50 meters where a good amount of combat takes place

rockets are good against infantry so where the hell are you getting that they are shit from? and .50s are no better at taking out aircraft than the 20mms and 13mms, 30mms and 37mms on the 110 however are amazing at taking out planes.

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How am I supposed to kill enemies if I can’t see them in the scope of my weapon?

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