Next Campagne?

[Brrady]

For the British/Commonwealth, there are ~

6 Rifles

~ 4 SMG’s

6’ish MG’s

At least 6 Hand Gun’s

2-3 Mortars

At least one excellent LMG

2-3 MG options

Various grenades

At least one Flamethrower

The Boy’s ATR

So at least 15 different options there

Add in planes and tanks

And your getting close to 30 before you even start to look at lend lease potential all for 42.

So by lend lease I mean American kit that was used in theater, not by American troops, depending on the time frame, and how willing they were to stretch it, and they seam pretty willing to stretch reality, this would add even more options, and if they could do the Chinese the list get’s much larger.

The Japanese List of options is also extremely large, almost everything the Japanese had, was available pre war with very few exceptions.

Easy half Dozen Pistol options

At least 3 SMG options

At least a half dozen Rifle options

Knee Mortar, and two or three other mortar options

3 or 4 LMG options

2-3 HMG options

A ton of IJA Army Aircraft options

3-4 tank options

A couple Scout car option’s

Various small Infantry Gun options

ATR rifle option

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And I am underselling the options, all of which are 42 or earlier with regard to availability.

[秋YUI绘_Beaver食過炸蛋]

No, everything in the game save for premiums and gold order weapons 100% did exist to some capacity. Now were they actually used? That’s another story. However, all campaign unlocked guns and vehicles were physically constructed by the time the battle took place.

Yes, the Chinese have rewritten history, we both agree on that. However, to keep the game running in both Tiawan and the mainland, there is going to be a myriad of issues if you and any Chinese representation, which when looking at it from strictly a financial decision, it is not worth the potential damages any way you cut it.

Sure, you can the Garand if you go Burma, but still that doesn’t give you enough content for 40 levels for a 1942 Commonwealth faction. Even the early war US doesn’t really have enough to fill 40 levels on it’s own. If you did a mixed campaign like the Kokoda Trail, you just might have enough stuff to fill 40 levels, but that brings up the balance question.

You may not think the semi-auto more powerful than the Bolt Action, but in reality its the ability to choose between the two that is important. Japan doesn’t have this capibility until 1944.

[秋YUI绘_Beaver食過炸蛋]

You arn’t underselling the options, but the target is 40 levels. That is what the devs have stated their target is, and its not really possible before 1943 for either side.

[Brrady]

The Semovente 75/34 did not exist in North Africa, but was being produced in March of 43 so that justifies it’s inclusion, even though it never saw action till September of 43 ?

Or the Jumbo that was “built” in May of 44 is included in Normandy because it existed, but it never actually served in Normandy ?

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We might be looking at the options differently but I can see reaching 40 options in Burma with both sides without stretching reality.

The problem I see if we go to 44, the game is unplayable because the Japanese tanks are so unbalanced at that point to be unplayable, and this assumes were doing the Philippines, not some Island Fortress meat grinder.

If you go early war, like the Philippines, you restrict the options to Just the US and as you sugest above that really limits the options.

If you went to New Gunnie, there are really No tanks there, or very few on either side and it’s more or less all Jungle all day. The Australians would help with the levels but again no tanks to speak of.

The Solomons has the same Problem, basically no tanks and no fun place to use the few that were there.

With Burma, you can easily Do early war, and if you must you could do 44/45, but in so doing you again run into the problem of the IJA tanks being totally outclassed.

The Japanese options for small arms dont really improve late war with the only exception being the Type 4.

What could be done though, is embracing the Japanese use of captured equipment, which they did do often throughout the war, not that I am advocating this, I just cant see the “stopping” point being the lack of a semi automatic rifle for the Japanese, the British really never had one either. Although carbines (M1) were used in the CBI and in Italy by them in some numbers late war.

[秋YUI绘_Beaver食過炸蛋]

I think you misunderstand what I mean by exist. I mean a physical version of the weapon or veichle had to have been build prior or during the battle in question, regardless of if it was there. Even with these lax rules, you can’t scrounge together 40 levels on either side without major imbalance or fucking up the game in some other way.

Going to 44 isn’t perfect, but with things like the Chi Nu and Chi He can even the odds. However, if you go 42 Burma, the biggest gun the Japanese have is the 57mm, and even with HEAT it is going to be painful to kill even stuarts. Meanwhile, the 37mm and the 2 pounder will easily rip through any Japanese tank, so you need to wait for the 47mm, which comes with the Chi Ha Kai in late 1942. However, it is probably not a good idea to put the only proper AT gun in the Japanese tech tree as far up as it would have to be to fit a 42 campaign. If you do a 1944/45 campaign and start slow with the Allied tanks, you should be able to make thing balance out. Lets take a hypothetical 1945 US versus Japan. Start with M8 Greyhound against Ha Go, then go LVT(A)(1) against I Go, then go LVT (A)(4) against Chi Ha, Stuart against Chi Ha Kai, M3 GMC against Ho Ni I, M18 Hellcat against Ho Ni III and then Sherman against Chi Nu. Not perfect, but it should be balanced enough.
Tanks were present at New Guinea, but it was mostly Chi Has against Stuarts, so yeah your probably right, that might not be such a good idea.

sure, Japan could use captures, but that should be for the most extreme cases like the M2 carbine, where there is almost no other counter.

[urmomwantsmi]

Wouldn’t we have a similar issue with balancing the Japanese VS USA, especially post 1942?

[Brrady]

From Taki’s sight:

While Not necessarly “Impressive” by any mean’s, they would be able to penetrate the sides certainly and fine week spots on the front of the Early Stuarts when adjusted for range

As for the Burma campaign 1942, see Burma section at the following link.

http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/history.htm

The 1st Tank Regiment and the 14th Tank Regiment were sent from Malaya. See Malaya section at the same link.
Besides them, following units had armors.
55th Cavalry Regiment (2 Type 95 Light Tanks, 6 tankettes)
56th Recon Regiment (8 Type 97 Tankettes)
33rd Infantry Group Tankette Company (5 Type 94 Tankettes)

[Brrady]

Burma 1942. The British 7th Armoured Brigade enroute to Singapore was diverted to Rangoon when Singapore fell. It consisted of 2 Regiments of M3 Stuart tanks, a total of 115 tanks… These were the only British tanks in that campaign

So they would need get creative for they British, and add a few other vehicles, like the A 13 and that would be Easly delt with by the Japanese Guns, the Stuart would be the top of the food chain really.

[Brrady]

And there is this:

The Japanese captured many M3 Light Tanks in Burma and Philippines. They were used by the Japanese, for example, 14th Tank Regiment in Burma and 7th Tank Regiment on the Philippines.

[秋YUI绘_Beaver食過炸蛋]

Its going to be an issue regardless, bit in my opinion, a late war campaign will be the one where that problem can be mitigated the most.

[秋YUI绘_Beaver食過炸蛋]

@Brrady

So they would need get creative for they British, and add a few other vehicles, like the A 13 and that would be Easly delt with by the Japanese Guns, the Stuart would be the top of the food chain really.

Problem is, even an A13 would stomp the Ha Go because of the Coaxial MG. in my opinion, the only real match for the Ha Go for the Western Allies is the M8 Greyhound, which entered service in 1943. Sure, the .50 cal will still eat the Ha Go, but you need the commander to be able to use it, and the inability to make the commander duck will make it a difficult weapon to use. If you did something in 1943 onwards like M8 Greyhound against Ha Go, Humbler Mk IV against I Go, Daimler MK II against Chi Ha, Stuart against Chi Ha Kai, M3 GMC against Ho Ni I, Grant against Ho I, and finally Valentine I against Chi He. Again, not perfect, but it should work pretty good and keeps to the Devs standard.

[Brrady]

Vickers would be the more appropriate vehicle to face of against the Ha Go, in a perfect world the hull MG’s of all the tanks would work, I really do think it could be made to work for 42 and be far more interesting than 44/45 and play better.

[秋YUI绘_Beaver食過炸蛋]

You mean the 6 ton? That also has a coaxial, so I’m not so sure. Fun fact, the Japanese tanks are the only tanks in WT where the hull MGS work, so they may be the only ones in this game where they work, who knows.

[Brrady]

The Vickers MK VI with the .50 and coaxial MG, bot it and the Ha Go have thin armor and would be equinely deadly to one another.

For the Japanese though even in 43 there are serval tanks to chouse from:

Type 97 Tankette “Te-Ke” in two versions MG or Gun

Type 95 Light Tank “Ha-Go”

Type 89 Medium Tank “Yi-Go”

Type 97 Medium Tank “Chi-Ha”

Type 97-improved Medium Tank “Shinhoto Chi-Ha”

Type 1 Medium Tank “Chi-He” (premium)

Type 1 75mm SPH “Ho-Ni I” (premium)

Type 2 Gun Tank “Ho-I” (premium)

[Brrady]

Should read: even in 42

Seriously is there a way to edit your own post’s or am i missing something?

[秋YUI绘_Beaver食過炸蛋]

You can’t start with the Vickers Mark IV against the either the Ha Go or the Te Ke, a .50 cal in the turret would completely destroy either of them, as well as the I Go. The Greyhound is the only real option IMO as it has similarly weak anti-Infantry capabilities, as well as similarly weak armour. You will also notice that I tend to match the Japanese guns tanks with Allied tanks with smaller guns, that is because then you can let the larger HE counter the fact that the Japanese tanks only have a hull MG. Doing something like that becomes a lot easier post past 1943 ironically, as the US and UK enter more LACs into service after their experiences in North Africa.

Side note and unrelated, would M7 Priest against Ho Ro work for this game? Both are armoured artillery peices, with absurdly large calibers, but in say the Jungles of Burma, how effective could they really be, with all the angles and trees to dampen the shell?

[秋YUI绘_Beaver食過炸蛋]

There should be a pencil looking button on your post in the between the flag and link buttons on the bottom right corner, push that to edit.

[Brrady]

No ?

[Brrady]

The Greyhound was not, afik, used by the British, and it was not born till 43.

The idea is that there each lethal to one another, the .50 call could if the angle was right pen, afik the Vickers .50 was comparable to the US .50 cal in term of penetration though to fair I am going on memory it’s been a while since I looked it up.

I theory it would kill the crew before it killed the tank, the Japanese guns could Easly kill the Vickers in one go I would think, so it would not be that different from many of the match up’s we have now in game.

[Brrady]

Pen Curve for the US .50 cal using WW 2 Eara data