Also, yes field modifications were possible, so you will find old guns with stiff recoil springs, but those arent standard and you can even tell that those arent as controllable as supposed:
could make for interesting event guns
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apparently videos of full auto guns are 18+ on youtube.
make an account or go look for a source yourself I dont care.
Also, slow shooting Soviet SMGs can have increased damage, since 7,62 TT doesnāt really have less power than 9mm anyways in real ballistics.
only Soviet mains down voting that dont want to lose their free āeasy modeā BR.
Here hands down the best BR2 German gun at the moment, notice something? its a PPS43 copy.
I still feel dumb for spending money on that gun, but I know very well why I did it - to have around 30% faster time to kill compared to German TT guns.
anyways, 800 RPM is too much for BR2, heck, 700 RPM is too much for BR2 - with the exception of small mag SMGs. Those SMGs outperform both MGs and rifles up to 50 meters distance and can still kill with bursts at 100 meters +.
This is unacceptable.
You know M1918 have 1040rpm with 6.8 dmg?
Of course PPS43 is a better all-round gun, but if you are skillful enougth bretta M1918 have better DPS in close range
High rpm isnt everything, the sweet spot of rpm is around 700-800rpm because itās high enough to have a fast time to kill and slow enough to not burn through itās mag in a few seconds. Thatās why the ppt27 can be br1 despite having 1000+ rpm because rpm has diminishimg returns the same is true with the Owen and bretta m1918.
it has bad sight picture - same with OVP and Owen, however in general I do agree, 1000 RPM bad sight picture is also too much for BR2. That being said, OVP and M1918 have 10 less rounds in the mag than PPS, which is very noticeable.
800 indeed is the sweet spot, so that means PPS should be BR5 - since it is inside that sweet spot, or what are you trying to say? Cant quite follow.
Your purposely misinterpreting what Iām trying to say. Why would a br2 gun go straight to br5, there are 2 brs you skipped over. The pps43 should be nerfed or uptired to br3.
but here is something that isnt sarcasm: I honestly believe PPS43, ZK 383, MAS 36, OVP and Beretta 1918 are all generally more powerful than something like an MKB 42H, because slower rate of fire guns have no benefit in this game over rapid fire guns - outside of helping gamer dads not waste their ammo of course.
Now is it my fault that I dare to say that balance for good players also matters, considering I am quite decent? All I see right now is that the good German players play high BR, while the good Soviet players play low BR, and that this isnt JUST because people want to play on the winning sides - those players play on the winning sides because the good players know how to use an advantage when they see one.
The biggest balance issues right now, in myā¦ wellā¦ not as humble opinion as I would like it myself (I am just getting tired to talk about the same problems for two years now) ā¦ those issues are:
-KV1 having too much survivability and post pen damage compared to tanks on its BR, while practically being immortal to BR2.
-Panther having too much frontal armor compared to its BR, while practically being immortal to BR3.
-Soviet body armor being OP.
-30 rounder Thompson and PPS43 being too strong for BR2.
you know? I like to play with iconic guns, so I want to bring MP40 into BR2, but facing competent BR2 Soviets will turn my MP40 effectively into a BR1 gun because of body armor - while they themselves get to use basically BR3 guns. Its just super annoying. I dont want to be forced to use broken event guns, that ugly top loaded OVP or thatā¦ well Beretta M38/42 isnt bad actually, PPS 43 is better but not by a crazy amount.
Listen, I just want to use my Kar98, and MP40 without having to fight full auto insta kill laser rifles, why is that too much to ask for?
This is exactly the type of suggestion where the rule on providing sources should be followed.
Not that I nessesarily doubt you, but I would suggest it. I would also bring up why/how the 800 rumber got arrived at in the first place, both discrediting the current number then presenting a different one tends to be more persuasive than just stating that itās wrongā¦
didnt take much to find one source.
Got to agree this wikipedia source isnt all that much considering the high intellectual level arguments of the forums but still.
its quite easy to look this stuff up - however we had discussions about this in the past.
basically you can find videos of super rapid PPS43 and both slow shooting once.
apparently you can just stretch the recoil spring and increase its rate of fire, because that gun was āas cheap to produce as possibleā - which isnt an insult actually, but considering that everyone who shot that gun claims it to be very pleasant to shoot and very reliableā¦ yeah PPSH 43 was an amazing weapon by all accounts.
This gun is like 90% stamped sheet metal - which is pure soviet magic that this gun was as good as it was.
However, a known fact among historians is that the German high command thought PPSH 41 was superior to MP40, while the Soviet high command ironically thinking the exact opposite - which is why PPS43 was supposed to be a āmore controllable rate of fire replacement of PPSH41ā while also getting rid of the whole drum mag concept - meanwhile Germany tried to up their capacity for their MP40 with those strange double mag prototypes.
PPS43 shot slowly because it was literally supposed to do so, and even if field modifications are possible, they werenāt standard AT ALL.
Now what source do you want me to pull up?
I dont play war thunder, so I dont have all those āsecret documentsā that people meme about all the time, instead just check evil propaganda wikipedia I guess.
Or - type in āPPS43 full autoā on youtube and compare it to āMP40 full autoā - god bless america there are a whole bunch of rednecks that shoot guns all day.
9/10 PPS43 videos will have guns with round 600 rpm
Thatās not the point, my point was about presenting the argument/suggestion, you completely missed that.
Still not what I am talk.
How is it possible to be this massively interpretedā¦
Iām looking out for the suggestion, I wanted to give my thoughts on how you could strengthen it.
I donāt want any sources, the forum staff (and by extension the devs) want it (itās literally in the forum guidelines for making a suggestion), and persumably people who would also like an explenation for why one RoF is correct over the other do too. I have already arrived at the conclusion that the RoF in game is wrong in the past, itās not me that needs convincing.
I got the point and agree that it wouldnt hurt to include source on suggestion.
However, this is one of those subjects that has been subject of discussion for numerous times on forums so plenty of sources has been presented in the past.
