My 2cents about how berlin is adding new map

[VoyoMayPL]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

missions are separated from the map.

Then show me a mission without a map.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@gastanofrizzi

No is the same if you dont think how make something make a plan a layout, how you actually do that thing, random?

i’m aftaid i can’t really accurately speak for this one as i did not created the maps nor the missions. it feels like that some location are actually random. and others, inspired on how some events actually went ( as an example, some of the berlin map, and the d-day. )

on the other hand, moscow, stalingrad, and tunisia missions are more randomic because they start from one point, and make you goes across a city or a town. which once again, the map has been made prior to the missions.

missions are just an adaptation or in some occasions, a alteration based on the map.

the map it’s only one, and devs make missions on it. the gray zone has nothing to do with the map layout.

it’s some trickery, ik, but it’s really simple once you understand it.

@VoyoMayPL

Then show me a mission without a map.

the editor?

the events?

those, you can say are interconnected as has been specifically designed for the mission.

not the other way around.

[VoyoMayPL]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

the editor?

the events?

those, you can say are interconnected as has been specifically designed for the mission.

not the other way around.

I have a feeling you are talking about “gamemodes”, not “missions”. Eventually you mean “mission types”.
The nomenclature in Enlisted is a bit of a fucked up imo.

[gastanofrizzi]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

the gray zone has nothing to do with the map layout.

Ffs grey zone is the map border erika you are seriusly

No tunisia is maked from real location, you can see them even on panzers 2 an rts

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@VoyoMayPL

“gamemodes”, not “missions”.

missions are a set of parameters which includes gamemodes.

which those use the main map.

events on the other hand, have and make the map used for the mission that has been created separately.

[VoyoMayPL]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

which those use the main map that has been created separately.

So missions are dependant on the map.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@gastanofrizzi

Ffs grey zone is the map border erika you are seriusly

No tunisia is maked from real location, you can see them even on panzers 2 an rts

which are based on the mission. not the map it self

you don’t have barriers on the map normally.
because those are setted in the mission. which it’s logic based.

@gastanofrizzi

No tunisia is maked from real location, you can see them even on panzers 2 an rts

the map: yes,
the missions: no.

( as you attack or defend where you should’t )

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

yes

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@gastanofrizzi

they have a layout wo is reproduced in the edito, you cant divede them, because you are gonna say, the guy wo think the game map is dont have control on the one wo build them

you should really start improving your english as those half sentences does not really help you to communicate the message that you are trying to make.

so, to my interepretation, what you are implying, is that the guy who makes the missions is the same who made the map.

that is. wrong.

because the map maker, and level designer, are two different figures.
which they can work together, as sometimes they do ( an example on top of my head, was the hole on d-day that has been tank trapped to avoid tanks going in )

but one has to do with the map design, and the other has to do with the logical editor for missions.

they are not the same guy, and do different things.

what you are complaining, is about the missions layout. not map layout.

@gastanofrizzi

False, map are build using real life, photo and location and real battleplan, the map are actually made using real command point,HQ

historical location, yes.

actual real displayement, no.

because the germans in stalingrad did not captured the train station nor the fallen’s fighter square in the same day.

that’s an example of missions adapting to the map.

which it’s what i’m saying.
same goes for moscow. moscow hasn’t really gone the way in enlisted goes. those locations are dynamic and recreated based on the architecture.

@gastanofrizzi

all map logic and the shit the add inside are build around them, so from wen the map layout is maked

no. as they change objectives time to time, they make the mission logic after the map.

dunno how or what i’ll have to say more than that

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

which, once again, they are not.

you dont have the same objectives in the conquest as the invasion. nor the boundaries.

so what are you two on about.

the only thing that remains the same, is the map layout. ( the ground does not change, the dead tanks and covers are in the same places, the trenches, the buildings etc )

I don’t understand you.
I think you have some problems with the terms and understand them, that’s all.
In any case, it seems to me that you are saying the same thing that I was saying, but in different words.

[robihr]

well i look there cause there are 2 spawn points for tanks so i do wide search…

also there is default spawn in forest so idk how useful that flank actually is…

[gastanofrizzi]

Erika you are saying a lot of thing for dont admit map are unifished and bad thinked, you keep defending something is indifendibile, but is ok is far even more understable than, the guy wo keep spam end game screen were is play bad asking form german buff

this discussion at this point is pointless, im dont want keep going say the same thing, as i sayed up you have your idea and i cant change your mind but at least remind that thanks this stupid approch dev keep have using the same map bulding/layout and how we want call them style, we gonna have always the same problem

And im sure the first topic of the new update is how is bad thinked and maked the new berlin map

Wait and see

[gastanofrizzi]

No default spawn in the Forest for both side use your leg for go here

[robihr]

ok what forest are you talking about? red, blue or yellow?

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Knyaz_Iaroslav

I think you have some problems with the terms and understand them, that’s all.
In any case, it seems to me that you are saying the same thing that I was saying, but in different words.

no.

you simply don’t understand the concept.
( i should say, basic concept of game design )

that’s on you more than anthing tbh.

[gastanofrizzi]

Red the one near the sand, you can go up here and place rallypoint, you find yourself directly in the back of the bunker

[robihr]

and IIRC default spawn for axis is just below red circle… second one is on tower.

[gastanofrizzi]

Default axis spawn is near the trench, not toward the forest

The point is you can use the forest for attack them from the side or camp their spawn