Hey everyone, want to raise this topic.
MP-717(r) is an early captured PPSh-41, taken in the first stages of the war and later reissued by the Germans. It was only ever available during the Stalingrad campaign, if you had full campaign access back then. It has never been sold or reintroduced since.
In practice it is the same gun, just slightly worse due to the condition of captured equipment. On paper the gap looks small, but at BR 5 it works against this gun every single match.
Below are the numbers for 4 SMGs in the same class: PPD-40 and PPSh-41 on the Soviet side, Suomi KP/-31 and MP-717(r) on the German side. Statcard Recoil in game does not reflect real recoil behavior, so I am only using Effective Recoil.
Table
| Stat | PPD-40 (BR 4) | PPSh-41 (BR 5) | Suomi KP/-31 (BR 5) | MP-717(r) (BR 5) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Damage 10m / 100m | 6.6 / 3.3 | 6.6 / 3.3 | 6.8 / 4.0 | 6.6 / 3.4 |
| Bullet velocity | 450 | 450 | 400 | 430 |
| Magazine | 71 | 71 | 71 | 71 |
| Reload / alt reload | 2.9 / 2.4 | 2.4 / 1.89 | 2.6 / 1.89 | 2.4 / 1.89 |
| Rate of fire | 1040 | 1150 | 990 | 980 |
| Effective Recoil (vert/horiz) | 8 / 4 | 8 / 4 | 8 / 3 | 8 / 4 |
| Dispersion | 0.68 | 0.70 | 0.66 | 0.70 |
| Visual Recoil | 1.6 | 1.6 | 1.5 | 1.6 |
| Recoil Dir | 0.45 | 0.45 | 0.42 | 0.45 |
| ADS Speed | 0.72 | 0.72 | 0.72 | 0.72 |
| Weight | 4.9 | 5.3 | 5.5 | 5.3 |
| Reserve ammo | 71/71 | 71/71 | 71/71 | 71/71 |
| Feature | Full-Auto/Semi | Full-Auto/Semi | Full-Auto/Semi | Full-Auto/Semi, can resupply from enemy ammo crate |
MP-717(r) vs PPSh-41 (both BR 5)
Recoil is identical, 8/4, Dispersion 0.70 for both. From there MP-717(r) just loses ground: bullet velocity 430 vs 450, rate of fire 980 vs 1150. Same recoil, worse ballistics, worse fire rate. A straight downgrade with nothing given back in return.
MP-717(r) vs PPD-40 (BR 4)
This is where the case closes itself. Recoil 8/4 for both, Dispersion 0.70 for both, rate of fire nearly identical (980 vs 1040), damage matches. PPD-40 is even slightly better on weight and reload. A BR 4 gun that matches or beats a BR 5 gun on the numbers.
MP-717(r) vs Suomi KP/-31 (both BR 5)
Suomi wins across the board: horizontal recoil 3 vs 4, Dispersion 0.66 vs 0.70, damage at 100m 4.0 vs 3.4. MP-717(r) loses to its own BR neighbor on nearly every line of the table.
DPS and TTK
Calculated against a base infantry health pool with no armor (100 HP). Shots in a burst are counted with no delay before the first hit, TTK is the time to finish the kill after that first hit.
| Stat | PPD-40 | PPSh-41 | Suomi KP/-31 | MP-717(r) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rate of fire | 1040 | 1150 | 990 | 980 |
| Bullets to kill, 10m | 16 | 16 | 15 | 16 |
| Bullets to kill, 100m | 31 | 31 | 25 | 30 |
| DPS, 10m | 114 | 127 | 112 | 108 |
| DPS, 100m | 57 | 63 | 66 | 56 |
| TTK, 10m | 0.87s | 0.78s | 0.85s | 0.92s |
| TTK, 100m | 1.73s | 1.57s | 1.46s | 1.78s |
To sum it up
MP-717(r) loses to both guns on its own BR while fully matching the profile of a gun one BR lower. Resupplying from an enemy ammo crate is the only thing it has going for it, and it does not make up for the worse bullet velocity and fire rate.
The BR needs to come down from 5 to 4. Its current placement does not match its strength against its BR neighbors.
It either needs a buff or a BR drop, and since BR 5 already has a gun at least on par with PPSh-41 through damage and accuracy, MP-717(r) right now is neither here nor there. Worst TTK and worst DPS, even against BR 4 competition.
All the facts and numbers are right in front of you. This gun genuinely belongs on BR 4, with reload brought in line with PPD-40/PPSh-45, and it would actually become relevant again.
- Yes
- No