The stats aren’t the same:


Ppsh41 has higher rpm
The stats aren’t the same:


Ppsh41 has higher rpm
Alright I was wrong then in which case. Could’ve swore they had the same stats at some point but I guess not lol
Wait a second those are the stats from before they downtiered the ppSh-45. Anyway you can show the post-downtier stats by chance?

Ok so it’s still the same then.
However since there’s br4 smgs like the bramit ppd and m21/28 (which I oftenly pick over the ppsh41), I honestly still feel other drum magazine smgs like the ppsh41, Suomi kp-31, m1928a1 50 and mp717 ( which we both agree on) should receive a downtier to br4 as well. Especially when they all get dwarfed by assault rifles, auto rifles ,heavy tanks and jets at br5
Oh yes oh yes oh yeay. Very different weapons lol
PPSh-45.
There are Fedorov machine guns at BR 4, and according to the datamine the Fedorov LMG is actually a bit more accurate than its older brother in terms of spread.
So what’s the problem with releasing a limited amount of them at BR 4?
How many people even have this thing?
People argue about it like the Axis suddenly got a 5-BR SMG in the tech tree (which they still don’t have)
legacy / random box reward -/- weapon in TT
I didn’t buy stalingrad back then so AGAINST ![]()
So you don’t want a gun to be lowered to the same BR as it’s closest competitors because…you didn’t get it?
closest competitors? you mean ppsh with drum? but it’s br5
“oh but you see it’s a unique gun it’s not TT”
ah yes, unique gun that you can outfit all your squads with if you got it
If PPSH is moved, then moving this gun is fair game - either both or non move down
Well I mean both the PPD 34/38 and 40 are either about the same or slightly better than this, and the PPSH 45 is definitely better. PPSh could go to BR4 too.
That’s fair, they’re both pretty similar and both of these are kinda obsolete against other BR5 assaulter weapons.
even the 100rnd drum thompson SMGs…?
yes because i have it
Yep. Everything. Ang Soviel LAD and NKVD Thompson, And Allies Paratrooper 100 round Thompson. And German Cönders SMG. And Japan don’t have such SMG for now. But in future maybe they will get it
conders
god please no
Soviet event 100 round Thompson is ridiculously fast shooting - but the US version not so much.
Both could move to BR4 tho IF they get MG dispersion penalties, considering those are heavy and cumbersome like actual MGs.