Move the Mosin Nagant Flamethrower squad to BR: II

Hello comrades!

The new soviet premium squad with the mosin nagant flamethrower is currently set at BR: III

Why should it be moved to BR: II

  • Free Flamethrower squads are set to BR: III for all factions. Those can be equipped with both a BR: III flamethrower and BR: III 10-round semi automatic rifles like the SVT-38 or Gewehr 41 for example. The premium flamethrower squad got the same BR: III flamethrower, but has a BR: I bolt action rifle as a main weapon.

  • some may say “but then it is the only premium squad to get a lower BR: II flamethrower”. Such premium squads already exist: Japan got a premium Type Hei automatic at BR: IV, Germany got a premium STG at BR:IV and Russia got a Fedorov automat at BR: IV, instead of the free ones at BR: V.

  • some may say “But they are 4 flametroopers” - other nations got 4 man flametroopers which did NOT raise their BR compared to the free ones.

Should the mosin nagant flamethrower squad be moved to BR: II?
  • Yes
  • No
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If not, please tell me why you think it should stay at BR: III

If yes, should its stats be adjusted?
  • Move it to BR: II and nerf its stats slightly
  • Move it to BR: II and do not change its stats
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Its okay to disagree with me, tell me about your thoughts in the comments! :upside_down_face:

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Some people are against it, saying the TT flamethrower is already at BR3—why make an exception?
My answer: Because the TT flamethrower is way too weak, and it deserves buffs, not to be stuck like this forever.

Just look at its BR3 stats: only 18 meters range. In open areas, you’ll get instantly killed by bots before you even reach anyone. You’re better off just using a rifle. So what’s the point of the flamethrower?

On top of that, enemies can still shoot back accurately when you’re burning them, so most fights end in a 1-for-1 trade. It’s just way too underpowered.

The meta has changed a lot, but the flamethrower hasn’t been touched since the devastating 2023 nerf. Flamethrowers existed since the early days of the game, and they were never even overpowered back then.

And the devs are still selling flamethrower packs. From a business perspective, they should buff the weapon to support these packs.
BR2 flamethrowers are somewhat reasonable, so the TT flamethrower also needs to be buffed.

The fact that almost no one plays it anymore is proof enough.

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They’re the same weapon. The Mosin and the flamethrower is the same weapon.

It has another primary weapon, which is interchangeable. You could give them the SVT-38, if you wanted to.

It’s a 30-round LMG with a sprint speed reduction, not the same as its rifle counterpart.

Which is worse than the STG, hence a different BR.

The Premium 10-round SF-rifle in BR IV…?

It’s a Premium 10-round SF-rifle… That’s why it’s BR IV… It’s not a Federov…

Right…?

But, that’s not a escuse for lowering them though…?

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All of the weapons you mentionned have at least a downside compared to their TT equivalent, STG-45 is the worst STG like weapons, Fedorov MG and Type Hei MG have movement penalty.

This flamethower has a mosin rifle in addition to the flamethrower itself. It is only upside compare to standard flamethrower.

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It’s even better than the TT one! It has a shield giving you an extra life

No, the federov machine gun

Don’t forget about the german flamers on br2 which are much closer to the br4 flamer

Should be 3 flamethrowers be downtiered? Personally I think yes. But this is a post about making a squad that can select any weapon they’d like for the primary that has a better flamethrower than tt br 3 br 2. So no thank you

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Not a Fedorov avtomat though

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Right… You’re entitled to your opinion.

Ah. Well then, there’s your answer. It’s a 25-round LMG in BR IV with sprint speed reduction.

You get two from a paratrooper box, if you select that loadout after parashooting.

Parashooting has its dangers now.

You also get nothing but those two flamethrowers, no Engineers or anything else. Meaning that, even when people get to their boxes unscathed, people are not going to be picking the flamethrower option even most of the time…

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Full agree

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Yes we should do it -
What a Mosin? I-II br
There is italian flamers at BR II already - why didnt give 18 meters range and bring this flamers as well

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Indeed they can. So - it can be given at BR II

Yesterday I played with this italian squad at BR V and joy a lot. Skill issue

In BR V you get 6 of them, I’m sure that’s fun.

Normally you only get three specialists from a paratrooper box, and tech tree flamethrower squads only get two flamethowers. 6 is a lot.

Oh look it’s the usual suspects

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I was not talking about the AKT-40, i meant the heavy machinegunner squad with 5 fedorov automats with the heavy barrel…

and to that, i expected people to say they should be BR III even if they WOULD have a weaker weapon because they got more flametroopers.

But aside that, those were valid arguments of you. :sweat_smile:

Yeah, StG-45 is rather pathetic, and if the squad was unlocked that weapon would be thrown in the shit pile never to see the light of day. :sweat_smile:

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I really think this gun’s stats are horribly unbalanced. It’s a total contradiction: on one hand, it’s way too weak, almost as bad as the Soviet PPD‑1944. On the other hand, it’s labeled as a fancy, high‑class assault rifle.

I think it should be moved to BR3. There’s no rule that says assault rifles can’t be in BR3. There’s already an assault rifle in BR2 anyway. And that MKB 15 with only a 15‑round magazine really should be buffed to 20 or 25 rounds.

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If you can find and proove 20-25 round 8mm Kurz magazines existing at the time then that could indeed be done.

he will not find. it was developed with 30 shots magazines.
the first proof 10 and 20 shot magazines, 15 never existed, was from stg45 development. so they need to change the FANTASY mkb15 to a stg45 10 or stg45 20 to get a real existed combo :wink: