Good, I want the Chi Nu II and Chi To dropped down to BR3 and the Chi Nu dropped down to BR2.
I’m not gonna stop bashing the Panzer IV H though.
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Chi nu 50mm of armor, turret, 75mm hv gun, 5 man crew Two mgs thats not br2 ,
If that’s br2 tank the grant and lee are br1
The Japanese faction’s level 3 units do indeed require better tanks and bombers to counter the 105 Sherman and the upcoming KV1.
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As much armor as a Panzer III J1, as much pen as a Panzer III J1, worse MGs than a Panzer III J1 (especially once the hull MGs become usable across the board), and the Panzer III J1 is underpowered for BR2.
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And if you want a chu nu with a 50mm gun it would be br2
Again list a br2 western allies tank as good as the chi nu
That is a tank with a 75mm in the turret not sponson
The pz3 is br31 I believe going to check
Also Japan will never fight German so don’t compare Japan to Germany
Bru western allies
Scott open top low velocity inferior to chi nu
Grant/lee sponson mounted main gun large profile inferior to chi nu
Crusader half the armor 47mm gun inferior to chi nu
Aci premium better armor small gun inferior
M8a1 less armor open to inferrior
Mixed up the pzj and pzj1
Easy to do but you are right so when Japan and German fight you win a point
And if you turn the chi nu
A a thinner skinned td with open top
Or a td without a turret yes it would be br2
Type 5 75mm L/56.4
6.64kg APHE at 850m/s [Historical Values]
0.5 x 6.64 x 850 x 850 = 2,398,700 Joules
KwK40 75mm L/48
6.8kg APCBC at 770m/s [Historical Value]
0.5 x 6.8 x 770 x 770 = 2,015,860 Joules
Chi-To has 19% more powerful gun than Pz.IV H
Chi-To has 29% more powerful gun than Pz.IV F.2
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Armour
Both Tanks have 75-80mm frontal armour, that being said the Pz.IV always has 50mm thick turret weakness, Chi-To always has 75mm on the turret.
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Mobility
Pz.IV H - 26.4ton weight with 300 horsepower engine
Chi-To - 30ton weight with 500 horsepower engine
P/W Ratio
Pz.IV H = 11.36hp/t
Chi-To = 16.67hp/t
(47% better on Chi-To)
Max Speeds
Pz.IV H: 39kph Forward / -7kph Backwards
Chi-To: 45km/h Forward / -8kph Backwards
Chi-To is fine at BR IV, its definitly entry level BR IV tank but the issue is matchmaker that it can never meet BR II -III only IV-V battles maing it effectively a BR V tank in the matchmaker.
Chi-Nu II is High End BR III tank, probably the best BR III tank if it gets reduced to that BR
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Has way better he performance. I think it should stay in br 3. Chi ha short gun however should be br 2
It doesn’t have better HE performance than the Ho-I though, and the Ho-I is just as proficient at dealing with tanks thanks to its HEAT shells.
The Chi-Nu is closer to a side-grade when put next to the Ho-I, especially since both struggle against Shermans.
Pens more. Has he filler.and the ho I suffers (to a lesser degree) from the same issue the chaffee has. Slow reload low damaging round.
The Ho-I and the Chi-Nu have basically the same reload speed. Also just cause it’s HEAT doesn’t make it a low damaging round, it just means you have to aim the hot jet more than you would an APHE shell.
But also the Chi-Nu effectively has the same pen as the Ho-I because the tanks you’ll be fighting either have no armor or a sloped front plate, a sloped plate that affects the APHE shells more than the HEAT. So you end up being able to pen about the same areas point blank.
But where the Ho-I surpasses the Chi-Nu in anti-tank is at distances, such as when a Sherman inevitably decides to sit in the greyzone. The low velocity gives the shell more drop and counteracts the sloped armor, on top of that HEAT shells don’t lose pen over distances.
So in the end, the Ho-I requires more aim since you don’t have HE filler, but the Chi-Nu’s cannon can’t really pen much more than the Ho-I’s. On the contrary, the Ho-I is actually more effective considering how often you’ll engage with tanks that are in the greyzone, or at least a large distance away.
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Heat always is less damaging than aphe unless it overpressures what
Also heat is only effective if ur able to find a weak spot with ammo behind it. If you can’t (like with the Sherman or t34) ur out of luck. Meanwhile aphe just needs a place to pen and that’s night night.
I didn’t say it did more damage than APHE
Also the gray zone isn’t that far away. When it comes to tank shells distance almost never matters. Maybe if ur facing an unangled tiger in a sherman
I am aware, but I’m more concerned about finding a place to pen. If you can consistently hit the MG port on a 105 Sherman from 150 meters away then all the power to you, but at range the Ho-I has proven to be better in my experience while remaining proficient at closer ranges.
I’m not gonna say the Chi-Nu is bad at destroying tanks, I’ve used it and the HE filler is quite nice, but when you’re facing Shermans most of the time the cannon often disappoints.
Distance doesn’t matter in most interactions, but when you’re dealing with the Chi-Nu and already have to shoot weakspots just to pen a Sherman at point blank range then suddenly range does become a factor. You need all the pen you can get, and the further away you are the worse of a spot you’re in. Like I said, if you can hit the MG port from 150 meters away then say Skill Issue and move on with your day, but the Ho-I generally gives better results at longer ranges.
The furthest engagements in this game are 250 meters. Maybe 300. That’s not enough to rlly effect any pen thresholds beyond a Sherman vs an unangled tiger.
Have you played Japan before? The Chi-Nu barely pens a Sherman point blank, at like 100 meters you’re limited to small strips of the turret and the MG port. Any distance further than that and it’s just the MG port
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Skill issue. It has the same pen as the Sherman. Just worse angle performance.