Chi-To’s APHE is def much better than Panzer’s shells.
Chi-To can OHK just about any tank it can pen thanks to the impressive HE filler.
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Not always, but they are in BR3, though the trade offs are strong too.
No sloped armour, very thin side armour, poor mobility for a medium tank and weak HE filler in the shells, in fact due to these shells Panzer IV actually needs the extra pen because hitting a weakspot won’t do much and instead need to aim for critical spots like crew and ammo which are often better protected than random hatch Chi-To could exploit with OHK.
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And that supposed better shell is…? We have both of the APHE shells, the Type 1 for the Chi-To and the Type 4 for the Chi-Ri. The Type 4 only has three millimeters more penetration and much less HE filler, and isn’t really an upgrade.
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I think every Japanese tank in BR3 and BR4, except for the Chi Ri, could be moved down a BR and it wouldn’t be game breaking.
The Chi Nu and Chi Ha Short Gun are solid counterparts to the Panzer III J1 and M8 Scott, which are both BR2.
Meanwhile the Chi Nu II and Chi To are both solid counterparts to the long barrel Panzer IVs. Comparing Japanese tanks to German tanks is valid because America will fight against both.
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I think this matter is very important. Currently, no vehicle can penetrate the KV. Previously, it was entirely because the ammunition of the Japanese BR2, that small Type 3, was extremely overpowered. Even the M4 could be penetrated. That’s why no one felt pressured.
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How do you buff Chi Ha? Historically, its ammunition already destined it to be unable to penetrate the KV, and its turret also suffers from poor rotation. If we go beyond historical limits and introduce shells not even present in War Thunder, do you think players would be happy? The BR2 tank has already received favorable treatment—it can even easily penetrate the M4. Now is the time to address the long-standing lack of armored forces for Japan at BR3. Is its frontal armor thick? It’s only 50mm, and its silhouette is even larger than the Panzer IV. Another thing is that if crew members die, there’s no loader to replace them. Its profile is as big as the Panther (Panzer VI), and it doesn’t even have a coaxial machine gun. I’m curious, what exactly is its strength? It’s been a year, and I wish it could go back to BR3. That’s where it truly belongs. Just think about how long the Panzer IV H had to wait before returning.
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Are you talking about the Chi Ha Short Gun or the Chi Nu?
Chi Nu，Regarding the Chi-Nu:
The Chi-Nu,along with the Chi-Ha equipped with the Chi-Nu turret gun, should be adjusted to BR 3. From a historical perspective, the design and performance of Japanese tanks indeed had inherent limitations, making it difficult to significantly “stretch” their capabilities in the game. This has directly led to the current “disconnect” in combat effectiveness between BR 4 and BR 3.
During the version when the tech trees were merged, I personally “grinded through” the Japanese line. I experienced that period firsthand: in BR 4 matchmaking, American tanks with 75mm main guns (such as the M4 Sherman series) dominated Japanese tanks overwhelmingly, with rocket strikes and high-explosive (HE) rounds being particularly oppressive. At that time, there was no M26 Pershing at BR 5, and the top-tier opponents were mainly the “Jumbo” (M4A3E2 Assault Tank). For Japan, this distinction was both a positive change and a lifeline.
In my view, the current issue with the Japanese line is the severe gap between BR 3 and BR 4. The vehicles set at BR 5 (such as later-era tanks) are “pushed too high” in terms of performance and cannot effectively support lower tiers. Therefore, I suggest that the Japanese line should focus on building two strong brackets: BR 1-3 and BR 5. The current BR 4 is in an awkward “neither here nor there” position, lacking competitive core vehicles.
For example, analyzing the Panzer IV H tank:
Take the German Panzer IV H,which was previously positioned at BR 4. Its frontal armor is 80mm thick, almost no different from the Panzer IV J. Its side skirts were historically designed to protect against anti-tank rifles and are ineffective against satchel charges or rocket attacks in the game. This example illustrates that a tank’s positioning (BR) in the game should be balanced based on a combination of its firepower, mobility, and protection—not just a single metric.
I grinded the Japanese tech tree to completion when it had no BR5 so no point in bringing that up.
But I think Japanese tanks at BR3 and BR4, with the exception being the Chi Ri, are overtiered could be moved down a BR. The Chi Nu is good but not really good enough for BR3 tbh, meanwhile the Chi-To is comparable to German BR3 tanks.
The Chi Ha Short Gun is my favorite tank in the game so I wouldn’t mind it being moved to BR2, especially since the M8 Scott exists.
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I would say start off with chi nu 2 at br 3 and see how it performs. the pz 4 h already has quite good armor so adding something with even better armor to a br that before had underpowered tanks would be quite the power jump
Panzer IV H? Good armor? Where can I find this tank because the one I have gets front penned by BR1 tanks.
The pz4 h does have good armor what. Just rlly bad sides
That’s a good one, and a new one lol. Bless your heart
80mm of armor is actually pretty good…
Not really, especially not when it’s a flat plat, and especially not when it’s compared to the Soviet and American monsters you get to face at BR3
Sure it’s not a heavy tank…but having more armor than that while being harder to hit properly and with an even better gun. Definitely would rather try the slightly weaker option first. There’s a reason the chi to is 4.7 in war thunder
Dawg it’s an 80mm plate, not to mention the glaring weakspots that are easily exploitable by BR1 tanks. Not to mention the abysmal side armor and the placement of the ammo racks means that you’re not safe from any angle and if you get penned you’re dead.
Remind me what those have to do with the chi to?
And every single argument you make bashing the pz 4 h just makes my argument stronger that the chi nu 2 should be br 3 not the chi to