You do realise I used the armor values and penetration values right from the warthunder wiki right?
No u didn’t u used the star card armor value which doesn’t include extra playing angling volumetric and other factors
Okay, you know what, curse you, I am not wasting my time with a child again.
I am getting too old for these kinds of discussions.
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Yeah ur growing senile
You can pen there with an 88 too I’m pretty sure. Just checked and yes you can.
- The Panther can’t pen a Jumbo more consistently to a noticeable degree, both a Panther and Tiger should be going for the MG port or shooting the tracks and gun.
- The strong frontal armor and high pen don’t make the Panther better than the Tiger. Sure it’s easier to win tank duels (if you’re letting yourself get hit), but the Tiger still dispatches any enemy tank it can come across with efficiency.
A skilled tanker would angle his Tiger, rendering to frontal armor advantage inconsequential while also retaining the much better HE and maneuverability. Also a roof mounted MG is one of the least consequential factors out there.
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If you need 5 penetrating shots to kill a KV with a Panzer IV H, then you’re losing yourself credibility just by saying that. Looking at the armor profiles of a KV vs a Pz IV H, they can pen each other frontally on a similar percentage. The KV usually one shots cause of the explosive filler, but hitting a follow up shot with a Pz IV isn’t hard when the first shot kills half the crew or sets it on fire.
Also just about every half decent tank is hard to kill in a downtier. So relative to other BR3 tanks, the KV-1 serviceable pen and serviceable frontal armor, so what makes it so good?
It survives multiple hits from my Panzer IV H. While an inevitable return shot will one hit kill my tank.
Listen, this is my experience with that tank, whether you believe me or not doesn’t matter to me.
BR3 German tanks can pen the KV-1 frontally with just as much impunity as the KV-1 can pen them. The KV generally requires less aim thanks to the explosive filler, but when your first shot kills 3/5 crewmen a follow up shot isn’t hard.
There’s another reason the KV-1 is as good as it is, a reason that you ranked dead last on your list of factors.
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Why should I believe you when you lied about the jumbos armor
Not sure how it has anything to do with the stuff that I originally talk about.
You disregarded infantry as a means of destroying a tank in order to argue against the Jagdpanzer IV being moved down, despite 90% of vehicle combat being against infantry.
I’m saying that the logic you’re using is why the Na-To is still BR3, because it’s effective against tanks despite being one of the worst tanks in the game against infantry.
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Lol so you simply misinterpret my logic? First of all it is not that effective against tank because the armor can be pen by basically any tank. So using my logic it shouldn’t be br3 in the first place.
Using such logic kv1 will have higher br than tiger2 since it is more resistance to tnt and explosive pack that is available to every soldier.
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I’m not saying performance against infantry is the only factor to consider, I’m just saying it can’t be disregarded. Even if it was the only factor, the King Tiger would still be better than the KV.
Going back to the original point, the fact that the Jagdpanzer IV is a casemate with thin side armor means that its thick front armor as good AT performance is balanced out. It belongs at BR3
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No, it will frontally be immune to KV1, T34, Sherman, and all other allied vehicles other than M10 and T34 57.
This would result in terrible gameplay.
If anything Germany could get a STUG on BR3 TT, since that one has 80mm of flat armor + a couple of weak areas, this would be enough of an improvement over Panzer IVs 50mm turret armor.
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We have the most consistent counter measure for tanks aside from Guerillas being plane bombs, then you got Bazookas as well which the M9 and Panzerfaust 60 absolutely disintegrate the JPZ. (Even the M1 bazooka can kill the JPZ if you fire from a slight elevation to lessen the angle of the sloped armor) Also the JPZ being a casemate, makes flanking with Guerillas super easy, and with the weak side armor, you don’t gotta place the TNT in a specific spot to hope that it doesn’t ghost pen and do nothing like a King Tiger.
As for tanks, the M8 Scott and Alecto both have no problem dispatching the JPZ and they are BR2 as for your previously mentioned M10, T-34 57.
I’ve also killed the JPZ with the M4 105 as long as you know how to aim HE shells. (The BT-7 F32 and KV-1 if you really pixel hunt the one side track and bounce a shell up the side armor) the star KV-2 easily, and the T-34 F-34’s struggle but will get the job done.
Even the M24’s terrible solid shot using the very consistent track bounce shot.
I recorded a few videos of the areas I hit with each tank, however the forums do not let me post videos uploaded from mobile.
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Dog ur lvl 10 in wt wtf are you talking about with any of these. So many lies
Dude, seriously? Everything you say is quite nasty.
Cuz I don’t like liars. Still don’t have that photo btw. And do yourself a favor and scroll up to that part where I asked you for evidence and you responded by crashing out and shit