Move Jagdpanzer IV / L48 to BR3

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back in the day people agreed that Jagdpanzer IV has too much armor for being a BR3 vehicle - but today Allies and Soviets both have tools to deal with this vehicle - while Germany desperately needs a BR3 vehicle that has more than just 50 mm of BR1 armor.

two years ago T34 and Sherman would have massive issues dealing with Jagdpanzer IV effective armor of around 100mm (± depending on the angle and elevation of the vehicle) but today we have:

KV2 - can kill even Tiger II H

T34 57 - has 140mm Panzer IV like pen

M10 - can take out both Panther and Tiger I

and Shermans got better ammo some months ago, AP HE with around 100mm of penetration.

Panzer IV simply has too poor armor and gets taken out by Allied massive post pen damage in one single shot - not to mention it gets taken out by even BR1 tanks, while KV1 and such bully low BR Germany.

Of course that doesnt mean Panzer IV J/H is bad in general, it has infantry support benefits, I personally consider top mounted MGs as a massive plus for a vehicle, but in direct tank to tank combat it does feel weak.

Jagdpanzer IV would be a fair alternative.

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I think the Jagdpanzer is yet another vehicle in the long list of weapons and vehicles in the game which would justify a BR3.5.

As for it going to BR3, I dont think that could be done, since there isnt a single BR2 vehicle capable of facing it at all.

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hm okay true that, to be fair its not KV1 is any different

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The KV-1 isnt much better in that regard sure, but it is at least possible to pixel hunt with the KV-1, not to mention the KV-1 also justifies a BR3.5 for it to move up into.

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imagine we ignore all current BR1 vehicles, and move many current BR2s to BR1, while moving current mid BR3 to BR2 ( like Panzer IV F2, and first T34), that could allow for lowering some BR4 stuff to BR 3 aswell.

In the end, in my opinion, KV1 and Panther create the biggest issues.

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Why not, let’s go full power creep at this point.

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thats just shifting the issue about then, thats not fixing anything.

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Why not, currently theres just few factions that can enjoy such.
Grant everyone same privileges and lets see then is it fun or not.

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