That’s what I’m saying, the Na-To shouldn’t be BR3 but it’s still there cause people see big gun and big number for pen.
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But when you’re dealing with a casemate, side armor is also as important to discuss. 30mm of side armor leaves the Jagdpanzer IV incredibly vulnerable to flanks, which is made even easier when the entire tank has to turn to respond to different targets.
It has a solid gun and really good frontal armor, but considering just 2 factors in a tank’s performance is a bad way of balancing vehicles.
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My opinion in what tank stats matter most in this order:
- Penetration
- MG
- Explosive filler
- Frontal armor
- Turret
- HE
- mobility
- View ports and optics
- Crew size
- Ammo rack survivability
- Overall survivability of the crew
- Side and rear armor
I put side armor that low, because in my opinion a skilled tanker has in 90% of the cases the ability to hide his weaker armor.
I think you’re overstating the influence of head-on tank duels while also severely understating the importance of how a tank fairs against infantry.
Like explosive filler being more important than survivability of the crew? You’d take a Na-To with APHE over a Chi-Nu with solid shot?
Or how about the AI crew logic of an MG being more important than HE. “I’d rather use a single rifle caliber machine gun against infantry rather than the 75mm cannon”.
According to this I can only assume you’d say the Panther is the best tank in the game relative to BR.
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Yes, Panther and KV1 are the best tanks in the entire game for their respective BR.
Panther is definitely not, it’s like a B tier tank at best.
The KV-1 is good but not by your criteria.
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This has gotta be the worst ranking I’ve ever seen holy shit
LOL. But they’re not??? M4 105 is best br 3 tank and tiger is best br 4 tank
Tiger cant pen Jumbo frontally - Panther can, also Panther has a top mounted MG, BR4 Tiger doesn’t, also Panther has better frontal armor tho not much better since turret armor is comparable.
I know why people prefer Tiger over Panther, and that is mobility, better rear armor and better HE, but when it comes down to it, sloped frontal armor and almost 200mm of penetration are just simply better.
It absolutely does because its low pen doesn’t matter when Germans up to BR3 only have 50mm of armor. Its firepower and post pen damage will always one hit kill any target other than BR4 tanks, meanwhile its survivability makes penetrating hits deal very little damage.
Unless hitting its lower armor near its ammo rack you will need multiple shots to take it out, not to mention on some maps you can only hit its turret because of rubble and other obstacles. I need around 5 penetrating turret hits with my Panzer IV H to take it out, while BR2 guns literally can hit and penetrate 60 times without killing all its crew when the KV1 player simply stays on the driver seat and refuses to move up to the gunner position while only showing its turret.
KV1 is crazy strong in BR3 and crazy unfair in BR2 - while at the same time once getting matched in BR4 it completely turns to a useless pile of trash.
It can pen a jumbo frontally. It’s called a mg port. Commander mg aren’t that good especially in high br since you can just use commanders gun. Tiger has side armor that’s immune to explosive packs and tnt, is able to angle. Very resilient to bombs, better he, lower stature, an actual reverse, and better post pen on its at shell which is btw more than adequate if ur not bad at the game.
I’m also still in the process of ur priority list of tank attribute is better backwards. I think if you split the list in half and reverse the top half it’s better.
You can hide a MG port.
Commanders MGs are very underrated by most players - If I had to guess 40% of my total kills in a tank match are from my commanders MG.
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You can hide a hull too or even just angle it. Panthar can’t pen jumbo turret or an angled hull
Yes it can
Show me where it can pen it but a tiger can’t
Jumbo turret has 177 mm of armor, Panther has 192 mm of penetration - Tiger has 165mm of penetration.
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Yes cuz the armor stats definitely are accurate dude. Show the actual armor screen
Jumbo was literally designed to specifically survive 88mm guns to break through German lines - this is known history, Panther is a later design.
Im not in the game right now you lazypants - just go on the shooting range and shoot Jumbos turret with a Panther.
You think I am lying? Why would I?
I play BR4 quite often and I cycle 3 Panthers because I own legacy stuff.
I penetrate Jumbos on a regular basis.
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So ur not gonna provide a photo. Ok
Give me one reason why should I?
Cuz I think ur wrong and you haven’t actually proved yourself right.