I prefer simpler solutions. Just add new APC vehicles and basically keep the same structure. I’ve always felt Class I, II, III, VI, etc is just a little tedious.
You did suggest giving this “new squad” more assaulters, but I will say that with my suggestion of a new Motorized Infantry class that is the basic unit of the APC, it would have both rifles and assault weapons, it expands this for all APCs instead of different sub-classes
No But they are, APC is a broad term. it just means vehicle with some armoring to protect the crew with low calibre weapons to defend them. all the APC Squads with Half-Tracks in-game are such.
The truck Squads ties more into how mechanized Intfantry mostly were being transported in those days, by truck.
We got Trucks for all Nations, perfect representation of these mechanized infantry Squads, with the Half-Tracks of Germany and US, aswell as the Universal Carriers of the UK, that is what was most widely used, it’s a good representation of the mechaniced infantry and APCs, in terms and meaning of WW2.
long post about this and that
Add APC III Squad with some new flashy vehicles, get it.
Only thing missing for me is giving Germany a Truck Squad, to give them equal footing and choice as the other, giving the choice of rapid transport.
as for the others they are fine as is.
The Kangaroo APCs are a rare off thing here though… few produced from converting obsoleter tanks, and only late in war, and few at a time in service being basically field mods…
Event Squad for sure… BR III maybe…
I don’t really see too much point in them though… slow cumbersome, badly armed, some armour, open topped… low end matches annoying, and in high BR too slow and cumbersome… easily taken out…
but sure for flavour why not
But I see them as a Event SQUAD with Canadians
We want to make this Squad rare to represent its low numbers and use
I know this is your second comment, you deleted your original one, because you realised that you made some(/lots of) incorrect conclusions.
Here is another incorrect conclusion. As you can read, I specifically wrote “in the tech tree”. I need not elaborate further.
My suggestion is not about removing these vehicles.
It’s a mute point otherwise… No one would seriously argue that we should remove, or never have added in the first place, the G43, when the vast majority of German infantry used Kar98k rifles…?
We do not (the UK and Italy would like to have a word with you), but that’s besides the point, and would warrant a seperate suggestion.
No single suggestion can, or should, tackle all the problems in the game, that’s unreasonable.
I’d call that “motorised infantry”, not “mechanized infantry”, and yes they had different tactics, structure, and combat usage… I’m hoping to represent that, even in a limited capacity.
True mechanized units also deserve a spotlight, not just motorised ones, this is what my suggestion is about.
I think you meant “Germany and Japan”, the LVT-4, a amphibious vehicle, is not at all a good representation, nor is the M3A1 for the Soviets.
Which would fit better as a Rider vehicle, carrying ammunition, than acting as clown cars…
Only the Sd.Kfz. 251/1 Ausf. D in German service can be claimed to be “widely used” and “representative”.
Only between 150 and 300 Ho-Ha half-tracks were produced by Japan.
Only two M3A1s were delivered to the Soviets.
The LVT-4 is a amphibious assault vehicle…
The copy-pasted Universal Carriers are in the wrong role in game.
S no, not representative, not by a long shot.
There’s actually quote a lot missing. Italian and Commonwealth trucks, more mentions of current event “APCs” (that I’d rather just forget about and ignore)…
Not everything can be covered in the same topic, I tried to focus on APC III vehicles (definition provided in the original post).
You say that, but there were more Ram Kangaroos for the Commonwealth than there were M5A1s in Soviet service.
They were a lot more common than you may think.
Yes… all Kangaroo models are listed as either being Event or Premium content.
The British also used Kangaroo APCs.
Again, they were more common than you may think.
Even so, nationality was already specified, in multiple places.
Hmm. lol.
Please elaborate.
there was also a version with an armored turret
and this one is armed with a flak20mm
and also flamethrowers
it could also have an armored roof
or protective armor that covered all sides
and let’s not forget the Dovunque 35 Protetto
AS43 Autoprotetto
yes because I realized I concluded wrong first, don’t get me wrong I like your idea of giving us APC III Squads.
but my take is
We need a truck APC for germany
definetely that one
It’s so representative it should definetely be there in the tech tree for US
I’m not too sure about htis vehicle in the game
Why not…?
Leaving aside that the suggestion is still only about the squad type itself, not individual vehicles, why shouldn’t the game include the most common of the Kangaroo APCs…?
Naturally, and I should have included that, my bad.
As I have written in a previous topic of mine; “nothing happens in a vacuum”. I am very much inspired by what others write on this forum, when I make my own suggestions.
They are as of now NOT factions, they just mash in there… WHEN we get Italy and UK as their own Factions then Yes! ohh I wait for that day man…
yeha the problem comes from different factions used different strategies and terms for all of it, sure germany had dedicated mechanized Infantry, but in reality they mostly used trucks and horse to get anywhere…
WW2 was mostly fought on foot and transported on rails, horses or trucks
Not agree because the Universal Carriers were definetely used in the ‘‘APC’’ role
mainly as Infantry transport, ammo and weapon carriers.
False, They are in the role they should be
yeah they should have M5
I could also see a captured M3 half-track for germany as event Squad, much like the universal carriers Squad for Japan.
as for the Kangaroos
but actually they weren’t… only a few existed at a time, as in effect no standard produced and maintanined vehicles. they were field mod that were available in few numbers at a time, sure in the end numbered to more thant japan used the Ho-Ha but that ain’t saying much.
A good representative,
giving fair immerson to the different factions WW2
is having:
Sd.Kfz 251 for Germany
Universal Carriers for British
M3 Half-Tracks for US aswell as the LVTs
GAZ trucks for Soviets.
and all these we have save for US with the Half-Track
AS I said I do liek the idea of giving us more flavour in the addition of Rider III Squads with new vehicles but…
It’s not so urgently needed both in terms of value to the factions relative to faction power nor for the games schedule for anytime soon focus or dedicate resoursces on this.
i’d rather see them first fix say Aircraft being able to use camos just like any other vechle…
or say game changing things like Historical Battles matchups
Edit, good post though and I like the Idea!
What do you mean “false”…?
They’re utility carriers, artillery tractors, ammunition ferriers, cable layers, etc.
Do you know what they were not used for…?
Transporting infantry sections… you couldn’t fit one back there even if you tried!
As how Rider vehicles work right now in game, small squad + carrying ammunition for allies, Universal Carriers would be the perfect evolution on that concept! That is why I believe that tech tree UCs should be rider vehicles, then we can have tech tree M5 half-tracks in the APC role.
You can’t argue that this doesn’t make much more sense…?
How is half a thousand of Ram Kangaroos, alone, “only a few”…?
Still, I’m trying to point out that you are underestiamting their numbers, not that they were common on a relative level.
On a relative level, only the US should get to have APCs, with over 50k M3s being produced, but that wouldn’t be fair, nor would it be in keeping with how the game handles content…
This is not how the game handles inclusions, though…
Tech Tree content is aimed to achieve parity with other factions, not just what was historically common.
As if nerfs and mechanical changes to current owners of things was any concern to you.
I don’t need to elaborate… you already know… and it furthers my beliefs that you crowd use one sided logic.
Another example… you say half a thousand but on a german equipment you’d be like “only 500 were made”… however this is only an assumption.
I don’t…?
What are you accusing me of…? Speak plainly.
let’s not be dense… what is something that is effectively a nerf and mechanical change to something people are “owners” of that you are in support of? I saw the wording you used for that and just sounded soooo ironic.
However when you take the context into consideration it’s not so much of a gotcha moment… and i’m not so sure on your exact stance on the issue… more so really just a retaliatory action which is not the proper behavior to have.
And since i value respect what i was accusing you of is using logic to benefit you but to go against others… that statement i originally highlighted basically is exactly that… however not with the context
Such a large post and again a perpetrator of making low effort comments on my break i was just clicking expand while browsing and went “excuse me?”
Just say it out loud, because I still don’t know.
Is it about body armour…?
You don’t have to be an A hole.
I still don’t get your point, and you seem to just be poisoning the well.
@Forum-Moderator Could any one of you just delete all interractions between the two of us on this topic…? It’s not constructive in any way (on purpose too, apparently), and is thoroughly off-topic. Including this reply as well, naturally.
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And this one, and any future ones.
Okay. Derailment and/or trolling won’t be tolerated.
Either keep the thread on-topic and the conversation civil and respectful, or the gag hammer will be deployed. No further warnings. Let’s not do this nonsense.
If you have nothing constructive to add to the suggestion, wind your neck in and don’t say anything. Simply move on with your life, breathe easy, and be happy.
ur claim of them not being infantry transports, because that is exactly what they were, AND
that’s true
Yeah it’s not bad… but… the Universal Carrier is an Armored Personnel Carrier. It’s meant to move Infantry personnel… in the end it’s an APC, so as an APC Squad it is
the Rider Squads have Motorbikes, difference being light utility vehicles, meant for rapid transport, with only Crew, not extra seats, nor are they armored.
You see? regarding Universal Carriers, they are fine as APC Squad as it is.
yeah around 500 converted all in all in the end.
but at any given time, you didn not have that many.
That’s all
this can be said with all equipment they hand us for our factions, Not sure how a heavily armored Tank for an APC gives parity with the other factions, when they don’t have anything like it.
let’s say liek this, WHEN they finally give us UK and Italy as standalone Factions (can’t wait)
THEN we can give them A Priest kangaroo perhaps as an Event vehicle to give them somethign unique…
until then I’m not too sure about any type of Kangaroo in-game currently
