I personally don’t mind if this is a event gun, but I don’t really think it should be a TT gun.
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My intention is to use service weapons to increase TT variety for BR 1 SMGs for the USSR tree, especially since the PPD-34 is arguably unsuitable for BR 1. Which SMGs would you suggest be added to the TT instead to fulfill this goal?
Something they soviets produce themselves, i would like to avoid as many copy and paste as possible
The slower firing box-fed PPDs are really cool! Generally speaking, the developers try to use the most historically contextual options for the tech tree specifically. As far as I’m aware, the PPD-31 to PPD-37 (aside from the PPD-34) were all prototypes though?
I personally don’t mind prototypes in tech trees if the weapons are historically accurate and fill a role well, but some people create friction to prototype suggestions for the tech tree, even when it’s the most appropriate choice.
It’s embarrassing to admit it, but I don’t know to be honest.
Personally I actually attempted to fill the gap with submachine guns of other countries that could be added as subfactions to the faction.
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We might as well just do away with the concept of factions altogether. Create a unified tech tree and just change the soldiers’ skins based on which team the RNG assigns you to.
Because this doesn’t lead to anything else. It undermines the integrity of the factions in terms of gameplay. And it doesn’t really add anything new to the game. If you want to play with this weapon, you’ve been able to for a long time.
My only source on them has been the articles on Kalashnikov.ru, where they are typically tested against other SMGs of the same period, then often getting rejected for one reason or another.
And it’s okay to not know something. I try to feign ignorance whenever possible (such as not being 100% certain on the PPK-41 chronology in my post on it, for example), and am willing to change my opinion with evidence. The main issue always comes from people (in general) having strong opinions when they don’t know what they are talking about.
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Do the Allies fight on the Eastern Front or Manchuria?
Do the Allies wear Soviet and Chinese volunteer uniforms, or speak those languages (Liu Rifle and Thompson 7.63 squads aside)?
Do the Allies use Soviet equipment, in addition to equipment offered in Lend-Lease?
Do the Allies use Soviet flasks, mines, melee weapons, and other accessory equipment?
Do the Allies have SN42 body armor?
Do the Soviets not already have other examples of lend-lease equipment in their tech tree (M1 Bazooka, P-40E1)?
There is so much more to factions than just the weapons they have available to them. I think this argument is more valid in something like War Thunder (where the most notable things differentiating factions is crew dialogue), but Enlisted offers so much more to provide context and atmosphere to make each faction feel appropriate.
Oh, you want it in the tech tree…? I’ve changed my mind then after initially voting yes…
Then… I won’t be voting either way… I’d have been fine wit the M50 being Event or Premium (or left unspecified)…
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Yes, for now. But adding completely unnecessary copy-paste content in the name of greater variety in BR1 SMGs (probably to please Seal Clubbers) only detracts from those things.
Of course, I have presented an exaggerated, unrealistic scenario that I hope will never come to pass.
Do you have any suggestions for more BR 1 SMGs for the USSR faction?
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It’s not completely unnecessary. Ultimately, I would like to replace the PPD-34 at BR 1 with something more appropriate, to reduce the seal clubbing potential of BR 1 Soviets. You can only uptier it if other options replace it.
I think the PPK-41 and M50 Reising are the best options contextually (one was limited production and domestic, the other was used in larger quantities but is imported), but I understand that both have issues (for the reasons you’ve stated before). If there was something unique, used in decent quantities, and wasn’t a variant of a founder’s weapon, I would use that instead.
Sadly, no. I’ll have to admit ignorance on the subject of Soviet equipment, I have my own area of interest…
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Unnecessary. If needed, the PPD-34 can be nerfed in many ways.
You can increase dispersion, increase recoil, increase visual recoil, or increase reload time.
Balance isn’t just about ROF and damage (Do you not remember how many people were crying over the planned nerf to SF rifles?)
At least there would be a bigger difference between the factions. I’m not a fan of 1:1 counterparts. And that’s why I started playing Enlisted back then.
Of course, there are certainly people who just love having exactly the same experience, no matter which faction they play as. They simply want everything to be exactly the same. I guess it’s so they can convince themselves that slaughtering bots en masse is some kind of real competitive challenge.
But that’s definitely not me. And that’s why I said no to your suggestion.
Better make it an event squad instead.
If it’s an event weapon, it’ll pollute the loot pool when opening crates.
Making it a squad instead lets you get the Soviet M50 without messing up future crate pulls for good weapons.
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I’m ok with that. As long as it isn’t a TT gun
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I think for TT it would be good to use something like the PPD-30/PPD-31 the 31 having a late and early like the Japanese do with some SMGs. It keeps it good with some variety but also keeps it balanced and faction related. Copy paste is a tough one, everyone has their own opinions and everyone has good points. I look at it like if it can be added and would be a viable option to improve a pain point in weapons at a particular BR or something to help a underdog finally get onto a even playing field.
This is going with historical accuracy first with a quick lean into does it feel at place?
Anyway… The weapon
PPD-31 (Late)
Fed from a 25 round curved mag.
ROF 600
Produced 1931-1933.
Feels like a perfect BR1 option, just give it more disparity then most of if not all of the SMGs they have so it can’t lazer beam as bad, and at least a 2.5 second reload and 0.1 less damage in exchange for the fire rate. It would be a relaxed option with the ability to perform well.
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Current model for ‘PPD 34’ could just be used for something like this as a new gun.
Then ancient ‘PPD 34/38 box magazine’ could be once again used for current 920 RPM gun.
Spoiler
Always felt like such a waste to simply replace largely fine model.
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Exactly, if models are in game and haven’t been assigned to TT, event or premium they should put them in the live game. It would be easy to implement this in game.