So, run this thing in a AT squad, or you’ll have a unique weapon for about 12 seconds…? A very popular resitriction, I imagine. And no smoke shells…
Could could still feed this thing ammo boxes, btw.
At what point will you realize you are still pushing for a pointless extremes, when there are more elegant solutions out there…?
Thats one maybe two reloads the heat shells would only be good for hitting individual people small charge in them and if you did rearm you would still only get three he shells back and its no different then the rmn50 or arisaka mortar people spam those things and im guilty of it too i just want the usa to have something similar but unique the USA was the only nation to devolp a portable recoilless rifle like the m18 and id love to see it in the game
A exessively restricted weapon is one people don’t like using. The brace mechanic us unpopular for a reason.
People would way prefer it if you could use this thing for longer in a slightly different format, than over using it a couple of times like rambo.
Those things still have projectile drop. This wouldn’t
A balance concern you have yet to pick up on, even though I did mention it. You could comfortably be able to dip in and out of cover with this thing from the grey zone to do your HE spam.
For, again, about 12 seconds. A truly worthwhile weapon, toxic for a few moments, then doesn’t exist until you rearm, in which case you’re just more toxic for longer.
I appreciate that you want stuff for the US. I am guilty of wanting stuff for the Commonwealth.
Wanting stuff does not absolve you of doing your best to put forward realistic suggestions.
I’m not even saying “no M18 
”, I hope you realize that, right…?
I want this thing to be implemented too, just in more most interesting and less obtrusive ways.
A halfway decent player can already snipe people with the m9 bazooka if someone really wants to sit back and do he spam from the grayzone theyll do it not to mention putting into a mortar team and letting it be used like an artillery system would incentivise someone to use it in the manner you metioned
You are fundamentally just not recognizing the value of being able to move around…
Cover is life. You can shoot a guy spamming HE with no cover, at all (way easier to deal with than even a lightly armoured tank, just pick up a rifle). Imagine a guy who just peeks out every now and again to shoot and scoot…?
Who sits back in the greyzone being toxic with a M9 bazooka…?
Please man, take a moment to think here… You seem very attatched to your idea, but it doesn’t work in practice.
Ive dunked 3s on snipers from the greyzone with m9 like i said if someone wants to do it theyll find a way
Also i understand you want a cool thing to place down but what im saying is you put this weapon in mortar squad peoples monkey brains will immediately think of using it to sling he shells into points but if you label it as anti tank weapon people will be more inclined to use like most AT weapons and the other HE slingers
That’s not toxic HE slinging. False comparison
I’m still all the more for a placeable building. The mortar weapon compromise is a compromise.
Your psycology point is interesting, but doesn’t work in practice.
You’ve still yet to grapple with the gact that the AT performance of this thing is worse than the M1 Bazooka. At the same time, you’re planning on only giving it three AT shells.
Also, you’re expecting people to stare blindly at the label, and not realize how the gun actually functions even after use. Not a logical conclusion to make.
All the while, you only get three shells of each.
Please, if it was implemented like you want, it’d either be toxic as hell, or only toxix for 12 seconds. Both outcomes are undesireable.
You would go for mission kills and flanks like they did irl not to mention it would still be perfectly usable against apcs and light skinned vechiles as well as all jap tanks
So, now the AT label doesn’t matter?
When will the mental gymnastics end…?
You realize anti tank includes light vechiles right like even irl they refer to it as armored vechile kills which includes everything from a hilux with a gun strapped to it to a tank right and it was the same way in ww2
Look, I’m just pointing out that you close no concerns yet continually open new ones.
Not that interested in discussing history, it’s not the gotcha you think it is…
But the mental gymnastics comment wasnt a gotcha?..got it
We have more pictures of soldiers shoulder-firing the M18 than, say, the PTRS or Type 97 AT rifle. It was a part of the weapon’s design. We also don’t see 6 Panzerfausts dangling on soldiers equipped with them. I don’t think it would be immersion-breaking to see a soldier carrying an M18 at all, especially when considering the 50kg AT rifles that some carry in the game already.
I can see the M18 being the popular choice for some over the Bazooka, since the much higher velocity and scope makes hitting enemy tanks across the map much easier and accessible, even if it has marginally less explosive filler and therefore less post-pen damage. Let’s break it down:
M1 Bazooka vs M18 Recoilless Rifle
~6kg vs ~20kg
82m/s (M6A1) vs 370m/s
iron sights vs 2.8x M86F scope
225g Filler vs 80g Filler
I think for a lot of players, having an option that lets you accurately aim for enemy tanks’ ammo at range with minimal flight time and drop-off over distance could be a popular pick. And then we could see the 75mm M20 fill the similar role OP has described.
You’re right about the German and Japanese 10.5cms being too large. I had this idea a month or two ago and forgot which comparative weapons I liked. The better options are the German 7.5cm LG 40 and Japanese 8.1cm Type 5. Sorry about that.
Here are all 4 options, meaning we can have an MG-Nest style of AT gun with comparable performance, for each tree:
76mm DRP-4
75mm M20
7.5cm LG 40
81mm Type 5
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Huh…?
No, just pointing out that you’re not arguing coherently, the conversation just moves on, even though more and more concerns are raised but never properly addressed…
That’s the issue here.
This would only work if the M18 was a pure AT weapon. - I think that’s a tremendously wasted thing for the versitile M18.
If it’s supposed to get HE shells on top of being a mobile launcher with incredible range + optics, then it’s a incredibly toxic weapon.
Your calling the he round with .6 of a pounds worth of he filler toxic like yea its a fragmentation round but its really only useful for taking out small groups in confined spaces bunkers pillboxes buildings etc
That’s like saying the M1 Bazooka is a wasted opportunity because it can’t fire it’s WP rockets. And you are correct, the M18 with both HEAT and HE would be toxic, arguably both as a mobile or immobile platform.
Why not satisfy both the lightweight MG nest niche the OP is trying to fill, while also providing an interesting AT alternative? It would also be much harder to find comparable weapons to the M18 that you are proposing for other trees.
Correct me if I’m wrong: you want to be able to build a platform that fires high-velocity high-explosive for anti-infantry? And you want that specifically to be the 57mm M18 because of the scope?
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Not that interested in the scope, I think the M18 makes more sense than the M20 to be positioned like a MG. I actually prefer the idea of it not having a scope as a buildable, but I’m not attatched to that perticular position to care if it got one or not.
But I would be ammenable to both variants existing. A pure AT version with scope + a buildable version without scope but having shell variaty.
We have carryable MG 34s, and MG 34s in nests, after all.
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I guess it could be the weakest penetrating of the 4, but the (I believe) highest muzzle velocity? Could be an alright compromise.
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