Panzerfaust disagrees with you
I think we should point out that adding a flamethrower creates a bigger weak spot on its front.
The 45mm cannon weakens its long-range firepower.
Since the KV fights closer now, the flamethrower also works well against panzerfausts.
In short, the KV shifted from long-range HE fire to a close-combat specialized variant.
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How many panzerfaust do BR 2 players have?
Also AT soldiers can die before you are able to switch to it.
If your only option is hope that this one soldier stays alive and doesnt get snipe 5 seconds after spawing in then there are gonna be matches where no AT is available and the KV-8 is free to overrun the point at its own pleasure.
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BR 2 has access to AT guns, explosive packs and TnT. As well as tank destroyers that can frontally penetrate and planes that can drop bombs. Quit the victim mentality because there’s plenty of AT options out there.
The flamethrower leaves it exposed to flanking by soldiers. Any competent player and newbie with an explosive pack can destroy it. Higher risk for the tanker = higher reward.
Exactly. Higher risks bring higher rewards.
Besides, the KV-1 is extremely slow, so infantry can easily counter it. If German vehicles at BR2 run into BR3 KV tanks, their team should have plenty of German BR3 units to back them up. Those players ought to take responsibility and use tanks or panzerfausts to take it out.
If they fail to deal with it, that’s their own fault, not an issue with imbalance between BR2 and BR3.
Moreover, the US will get a flamethrower Sherman in the future. Its standard hull boasts nearly 90mm vertical effective armor, far superior to the ISU-152. There is no way it should be placed below BR4.
Well said! Then we ought to buff BR 2 vehicles. As the saying goes, better to open up than to block things off.
Blind restrictions will only create more and more problems. Plus, DF is too lazy to add BR 6 tier. Lots of vehicles would become totally useless if they get moved up in battle rating.
only the 50mm one which can struggle unless perfectly allined + less good post pen
Almost entirely useless since 75mm all round and even good bottom armor. Best you can hope accieve is engine damage.
If you really want to climb on the drivers hatch and infront of the flamethrower you are just asking to get killed.
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with that logic we could also bring the KT2 to BR2.
KT to BR 2 then…
tanks are clunky and since the KV has a 45mm capable of fighting back it is less of an counter.
If flamers didnt massacer everyone so quickly having tank to counter might have been more viable but a flame tank has to die ASAP or a point is seriously threatend to fall.
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Be mature if you’re going to contribute to the debate.
All I’m hearing is excuses dude. You’re acting like the KV is this invincible boogeyman when it’s really not. I’ve been set on fire and forced to bail from molotovs, it’s really not that hard to take one down.
I disagree, it has no main gun. BR 3 would be more appropriate for it. Having thick armour doesn’t warrant it being BR 4.
Churchill crocodile I would put in BR 4.
So are there dev mandated minimum number of BR 3 players in an uptier?
(Bot squads dont count as they cant use AT)
If no then there is always the chance that no real player in your team is BR 3 with access to the faust.
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Wasnt very mature your narrow minded argument wasnt it ?
Anyway, even the current KV’s are absolutely ridiculous to kill even for ppl that has played for quite sometime.
Could even argue its one of the most difficult tanks to take out since you need to know the very specific spots for detpack to be effective.
Unlike the KT2 that is relatively easy to take out even with detpacks.
Planes, sure but the devs have made quite little to none effort to teach new players how to bomb in this game.
We’re talking about BR2 after all. But sure plausible.
Tanks, well average joe most likely would choose the IV F1 or something similar, capable to fight with everything in BR1-2 range but uptiered against KV or shermans the chances are pretty shit.
Marauder ? Stug ? Sure, but again f2p has only 1 vehicle slot, so this is absolutely ridiculous to assume a f2p sacrifices a decent tank for TD since you have absolutely no idea before the game starts what you are up against.
Engi ? Havent exactly build those 50mm parkinson disease guns lately so dunno.
GRB ? Well it does the job while being again arguably one of the not so easy to use AT weapon such as zooka.
well neither is KT2 if you really want to go with this argument
planes
gorillas
detpack & tnt
& so on.
They must have thought about this issue, there’s no way DF overlooked it.
Just like in War Thunder, every faction has average players as well as top-tier skilled veterans.
Now that the squad matching system is implemented to ensure both sides face each other evenly, teams should have an equal number of BR3 players.
Are you worried that some BR3 players are just inexperienced fillers who can’t perform well?
It’s hard to tell. I often see plenty of Soviet players using event giveaway weapons like Mosin-Nagants and Winchesters struggling badly at BR5.
These players are really annoying. Their reckless play ruins the experience for everyone else.
Would not be suprised if they did.
Last time I checked WT didnt lack enough players for its MM to work properly on all of its BRs.
As for enlisted they might not have the luxury of beeing able to create such a fair MM as players are so unevenly spread out across faction and BRs.
Yeah, that’s indeed a problem. War Thunder has way more players than Enlisted. Even so, in every match, some players spawn with as low as 100 spawn points or as high as 160 right at the start.
The KV-8 works really well against lower-tier and equal-tier enemies, but struggles badly when facing higher-ranked vehicles. That’s why I think it’s high time to lower the battle rating of more Axis units. Plenty of German Panzer IV tank destroyers still haven’t been moved down to BR3.
There are still tons of adjustments the game needs to make, and many vehicles haven’t even been added yet. I just hope DF can properly prepare buffs for Germany and Japan before adding new units. On the bright side, the StuG III F has recently been downgraded.
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Narrow minded? 
I gave you multiple ways to take it down. I’d argue that you’re the narrow minded one because you keep arguing and saying it’s invincible when it’s really not.
That’s the trade off for having only 1 vehicle slot. You either pick a tank destroyer and be able to counter heavy tanks or you choose an infantry support vehicle and suffer while doing better at killing infantry.
Not knowing how to use planes and AT weapons is no excuse especially when there is a practice range. It’s on the player to practice and test these things to get better at the game.
Obviously downtiering the KT2 to BR 3 is ridiculous and I’m not even going to explain why. But my same argument stands with Russian players complaining about it.
Yeah because Cold War tanks playing against ww2 tanks is totally fair matchmaking….