So why arent the panzerfausts and the schreck also pushed up an entire BR because “not a feature of allies/soviets”?
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It did for ppd40 vs ppsh41 in Soviet TT, so yes.
ALSO, the ppd40 has better dispersion than the
MP-717(r)… So it’s not just rof.
It’s rof AND precision.
As battle rating goes, the captured ppsh41 should get lowered, simply because a br4 similar smg, is better.
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Since when?
Since br exists?
Ppd40 is better, yet br4, so the logical outcome is to put the mp under it in br organization.
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But it’s not, in fact.
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But, it is, in fact.
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Yes, 200rpm is a noticeable difference and is one of the main factors in weapon balancing.
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Isnt the MG34 BR3 while the MG42 is BR4 due to ~100 ROF difference?
Or the Beretta M38/42 in BR2 because its less than 100 ROF slower and 0.03 higher dispersion than the pre-war variant?
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I wanted to stay out of this vote, hoping that people will simply say no and I dont have to go on a long rant but I must voice my opinion of why I vote against this change.
Mp717(r) is worse than Pph41 and is more on par with Ppsh-45 or PPD-40, that is true. However, if the Mp717(r) is moved to BR4 than people (not just Soviet mains) will demand that the Ppsh41 gets moved down to BR4 as well (yes, ignoring the fact that Ppsh41 is better).
Now, we know that the developers want each faction to have at least one BRV SMG, its obvious with the Tokyo Arsenal uptier, Ppsh41 buff, newly added Suomi and fairly new Thompson 1921AC.
In this set up, someone will have a problem. There is no way around it.
The best compromise I can think of is swapping the PPD-40 and the Pphs41.
Buff the PPD-40 and nerf the Ppsh41 and switch their BR.
I actually planned to suggest this later when BRIV is playable (if that ever happens), since SMGs in BRV are not that useful, they mostly just get used by tank crews, pilots and APC drivers, because they cant use better weapons (AR, LMG, SF rifles). Ppsh41 is too iconic for this redundant role, while PPD-40 is more compact and reasonable for this role.
There’s no reason to touch MP-717(r). It’s an unobtainable legacy weapon (and that’s how it definitely should stay, as was promised by developers). And there’s no reason why it should be comparable with meta smgs of its BR.
If MP-717r would become BR4, it would immediately become one of the best BR4 smg.
Not to mention, the difference between all these Russian 71-round magazine SMGs is so negligible that it makes literally no impact in the actual game. The differences only look significant on paper.
There’s actually bigger difference between BR5 German ARs (mainly between mkb and stg) than there’s between PPD-40, PPSh-41 or MP-717.
But only SMGs got lowered because some people find them obsolete to ARs (which is total nonsense, there’s quite a bunch situation at which those smgs are better - for example run & fun cqc combat in hip fire) MKb is definitely not better than any of those 71 drum smgs.
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What now?
The MP717 is slightly slower than the PPD but somehow that difference is huge now.
And yet you couldnt really state why it cant be compared with normal SMGs.
And you can because that is how balance works and the MP717 fights on the same battlefield as other guns at the end of the day.
You can do it with the old CBT guns or even the godforsaken Alpha rifles no one but two or three people own at this point (I think they already touched the MP41 a couple of times).
Now numbers matter I guess.
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But…
It wouldn’t change anything?
Especially since for some reason devs want historical stats (selectively. Looking at Scotti with fake 15 rnds mag), so they couldn’t nerf ppsh41 rof…
So… it would be even worse and silly to keep the mp br5 while ppsh41 is 4?
Basically it wouldn’t solve much, and the situation would remain the same.
I would dare say that, in this setup, nobody would have a problem?
Since each factions would have their one high end smg?
And br4 smgs would be comparable and most importantly RESPECT BR with the mp being br4?
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Battle rating should be fair for all factions. There’s no reason for a br5 smg ( mp717) to remain br5, while a br4 smg is better (ppd40) stats wise
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All the many shooter games I have played in the past, 750 was a medium rate of fire for guns, while 900 was rapid fire, 650 was slow and 1000+ was overkill.
There are some exceptions of course, like one hit kill guns dont need even above 600 rpm, or bullet sponge and jump and run shooters highly benefit from RPMs above 1000, but I dare to say the ideal RPM in Enlisted is 800 - just enough to drop any player in a single press of the button, without wasting ammo that you need to drop the rest of his squad fast.
Are you dumb? I was comparing it to German BR4 submachine guns, not Soviet ones (Edit: my bad, I forgot to write German. But I had in my mind. Sorry.)
Maybe you didn’t get it. I guess I wasn’t clear enough. But I believe all those 71-round drum submachine guns could easily be BR5 weapons.
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Well, I dont disagree but the issue that they barely differ from each other and yet have different BRs and in case of the Soviets, it is only because there are no suitable BR4 SMGs for them that is not a 71ish drum SMG from the BR5 pool.
Saved for the Thompson, but that aint a good solution either.
And I am not sure if there is some potential BR4 gun lying around in some museum or book that could be added.
Except maybe a Box PPD40
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People who don’t own it would probably be more upset about it moving to BR 4 rather than the Soviet playerbase.
Logic says move it to BR 4 along with the MkB 42 H
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Honestly, never expected so many people to discuss PPSH-41 in this suggestion. This is a bit off topic.
But I’m afraid the Soviets had no choice. All their SMGs project during the war were built around the 7.62×25mm Tokarev cartridge, and they never produced magazines with capacities between 35 and 71 rounds.
PPSH box already at BR 3, other SMGs with 35-round mag wouldn’t be better.
no unless all br5 smgs moved to 4 alongside something like mkb42 or m2 (with changes)
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Start with what? Why can’t it start with the weaker ones?
If people can’t differentiate between the model of a gun and it’s stats, then it’s their problem, not others’.