Federov shows up as an AR and a MG and a SF. I would argue the Federov fits more in the SF category based on reality. Point is the game breaks these soft rules all the time. The type hei automatic also shows up as SF and MG in game. There’s no good reason to block this weapon from being an assaulter gun
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False. Like saying the BAR was used as a machine gun.
It’s not an assault rifle
It’s “assault phase” rifle, a rifle you use in “assault phase”
BAR was a light machine gun tho, or at least in WW2.
Thats highly debated. It was classified as a support weapon. It’s more in a grey area between LMG and SF/battlerifle. Back then it was just looked at as a multirole automatic rifle. It’s in the name, and one thing forsure though, is the military itself did not see it as a machine gun, which is why it took on the role it did.
It was originally just that - an automatic rifle designed for WW1 to clear trenches.
However during WW2 the US military decided they needed a light machine gun as a support weapon, which is why they changed their BARs to have a heavier barrel, changeable fire rates, a bipod and one of those MG carry grips.
WW2 BARs are by all means light mgs - according to their intended role and their weight
WW1 BAR M1918 is significantly lighter and literally was designed to assault trenches.
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Machine guns are literally weapons with rifle cartridges made automatic.
Especially in pre and WW2 period.
They’re literally the same thing.
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Mkb 35 is kinda special, since its not super accurate, shoots very very slowly, does not deal rifle damage and is overall not that good.
Its basically a bad SMG that however still has great damage at longer ranges.
Again highly debated. So much so, it’s far more accurate to not place it in a traditional category and just refer to it as a multirole automatic rifle, or simply a support weapon. I’m also pretty sure the military’s intended purpose of a machine gun back then wasn’t to clear a trench as traditional machine guns were not very mobile. And again, i know for a fact, the military did not think of the BAR as a machine gun. People today just like to call it one because it could be used in a similar manner or can be akin to a modern day LMG, but it is not 1 to 1. You don’t have to take my word on it, military fanatics have been arguing about the BAR and what to call it for a very long time now. Point is, the BAR fits into many different categories, trying to say it’s a true MG and nothing else is just inaccurate. My hot take on it, is it’s a lot closer to a battle rifle than a MG
The stats are almost identical. The main difference currently in game is the lewis rifle’s damage, but that’s only because it’s currently in a MG class. It could easily be switched into the AR class with AR damage like the mkb35. It would of been cool to get it as an AR to use with the assaulter engineers in BR2. Beyond that, it makes no difference to me in game, and it’s too late to change it now.
Simply not true. If you want to understand how the military perceived MGs and automatic rilfes at the time go watch some youtubes/documentaries on it.
So why compare a full power round gun with an intermediate round gun?
I never have seen anyone claiming that .30-06 is supposed to be intermediate round since it clearly is a full power rifle round…
You might argue that the gun should be an SF rifle instead of an mg but assault rifle is in no way the correct role for it.
Because it’s a game that already does this? If you bothered to read everything, you would see there is plenty of evidence for the argument that it COULD have been placed in the AR slot. Not calling it an AR. There’s a difference. Stats are also identical.
The fed avtomat, scotti and auto hei only are “assault rifles” because some people think that the 6.5 is not a full power rifle round since it is a bit weaker than the full power rounds used.
If you just want to ignore that full power argument then please go ahead and ask for the Mg 42 to be made into an assault rifle aswell.
How is that the same?
7,75mmx 39mm is now supposed to be the same as 7,62mm x 63mm?
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It’s quite obvious the game doesn’t fully take into account caliber sizes when determining where to stick a weapon and said weapon damage values. In case you haven’t noticed either, damage values in game are more closely tied to weapon class and not caliber. There’s very loose rules when it comes to this game. If x, y, and z can do it, there’s no good reason why something else can’t do it in a similar sense.
Either way, I don’t really care. It’s been placed in the MG slot and it’s not going to be changed. I’m happy with it either way.
Still why should a weapon firing full power rounds be classified as an assault rifle?
Devs were right to classify it as a machine gun.
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Y’all are getting hung up on the term “assault rifle”. When it comes to this game specifically, i see weapon categories/classes as a title with specific game mechanics behind it. I can list off a bunch of stuff in game that doesn’t fit within the real world terminology, and how damage values don’t equate. We also see event/premmy/BP guns bending these soft rules even more. My argument is based on how the game is set up, and not really trying to call it an “assault rifle”
somekind of equivalent of bar → bar is in mg squad → so is this → whats the problem ?
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We are not, you are.
You are trying to forge some kind of weird argument for this weapon to be classified as an assault rifle even though it has absolutely nothing to do with ARs.
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