Independent Sub-Faction Tech Tree

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Do you support idea of adding/spliting sub-faction tech trees from main factions?
  • Yes, it’s very necessary.
  • No, I have no interests about it.
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Do you support idea of “Lend-lease” mechanics?
  • Yes, that will help a lot when grinding new tech trees.
  • No, I think ok enough for now.
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Hello comrades! Today I will bring you with a suggestion that could make Enlisted more interesting and fun! It could help extend our battlefield very well!

This suggestion is in progress, and would improve contents any time!

Independent Sub-Faction Tech Tree

As far as we know, there’s four factions in game already, they are Axis, Allies, USSR, and Japan. These four factions are corresponding to different campaigns in game. There were more than four factions involved in WWII, as Enlisted presenting to us, it would include more and more contents from the 4 factions.

With the increasing of weapon and squad amounts, the original tech tree is a bit compact. To introduce new factions which actively participated in WWII but not with full ranks armament, it’s necessary to introduce Sub-Faction instead of inserting it into existed faction, to avoid breaking now design of main factions tech tree.

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The aim of Independent Sub-Faction Tech Tree

  • To make main faction tech tree more space for original armaments.
  • To introduce more active WWII participators, and extend arsenal of Enlisted.
  • To make gameplay and combat more immersive and historical.

Independent Sub-Faction tech tree

Attention! That doesn’t mean the priority of such sub-factions would be released.

I will take China as example. After concluded all resource and documents, we found Chinese tech tree (WWII period) have no completed arsenal set into V ranks (With no heavy armored vehicles and modern aircrafts, also lack of full-auto rifles that could shot full-power cartridges).

China was one of the most important participators during WWII, and she actually contributed a lot towards the situation of far-east campaign, with various armaments that could cover I-IV ranks battle in our game. It’s not necessary to make all trees have V ranks.

Matchmaking

I will take China as example again. We actually have five Chinese squads (Liu rifle, Thompson 7.63, Sichuan SMG, Sichuan Thompson, PPSh-41(S)) in game already.

When it comes to matchmaking, it could join battle with main faction USSR into Manchuria campaigns, with main faction Allies into Burma campaigns.

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Due to now existed squads was directly inserted in USSR and Allies tech tree, they could involve in battles as the main factions do: Hearing war cry in Chinese in Normandy or Moscow/Berlin, will cut players’ immersivity a lot.

Existed contents

  • Researchable contents, like Type 88 bolt rifle, will hide from USSR tech tree, purchased one would be remained. (As Soviet Thompson did)
  • Premium/event squads, would be moved to new tech tree directly.

Lend-lease mechanics (optional)

There could also be a optional mechanics to make players grind new tech tree and build squads faster. We have already have similar function “Weapon transfer” when Enlisted was in Campaign mode.

You are able to transfer weapons that duplicated (or you call it copy-pasted whatever) in new tech trees. For example, you can “Land-lease” M2 flamethrower to Chinese squad, or some basic rifles used by and existed in new tech trees.

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I’ve vaguely argued for this in the past, I think it would be an amazing concept.

Imagine a Polish subfaction, that queues with the Western Allies in Tunisia and Europe, then queues with the Soviets for Berlin maps.

Could even add a Warsaw campaign, which arguably Poland could queue up alone against either Soviets or the Germans, or again with the Soviets against Germany…

Or Italy, fighting for Germany in North Africa, the Eastern Front, and a future Italian Campaign, then also queueing up against Germany in Italy as well… Oh, and a East Africa Campaign against just the British too… My mouth is watering…

A lot of cool stuff could be done with this format, that’s all I’m saying… And that’s without saying that I could finally get my Commonwealth line-up as well…

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Great suggestion!

However, you forgot the premium Soviet PPSH(S).

Also, the “Chinese” Sub-faction should also not be called the NRA, as Chiese squads for the Soviet faction are all from the 88th international brigade, which was made up of Communist guerillas.

These compose 3/5 of the Chinese squads in-game, so it would be more logical to instead call the Chinese faction NAJUA (Northeast Counter-Japanese United Army, not to be confused with the Chinese Workers’ and Peasants’ Red Army, which was integrated into the NRA in 1937), since all of them kept their command structure and affiliation to the CCP after integration with the Soviet 25th army.

It would also be possible to separate them between the Western Allies and the Soviet Union, with the NAJUA keeping it’s name and the NRA being added along with the British Commonwealth, since there is no need to unite them from a gameplay standpoint.

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Absolutely!

Enlisted has the potential to become THE WW2 game, covering all major fronts and all key factions, like no game ever has done.

Imagine being able to activate “Play any faction” and literally play through Winter War, Shanghai, Iwo Jima, Dunkirk – all in one single game nonstop.

That’s what I hoped for with the campaigns system but it was dead on arrival.

And that’s what I’ve been conceptualising and suggesting ever since the Merge apocalypse happened:

The game has incredible untapped potential of WW2.

It just needs to develop “horizontally” instead of “vertically” (like Su-9 1946) or “insanely” (like Chinese at Moscow).

I’m just not sure about this statement, chief

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You should try easy red 2. One of the only ww2 games that has shanghai-nanking campaign and much more

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This would allow us to see France in game. With queues with the axis (as Vichy France) and queues with the allies (as early war french army).

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Thank you, changed it o7

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88 separate rifle brigade is Red Army unit - it can’t be added somethere else

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Banner of Red Army regiment - 88 separate rifle brigade
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On July 22 at 7 p.m., Wang Xinlin handed Zhou Baozhong an order from the Far Eastern Army Command regarding his appointment. The Commander of the Far Eastern Front, Army General Apanasenko, officially appointed Zhou Baozhong as the commander of the Chinese Special Brigade, conferring upon him the rank of Major. Zhang Shoujian was appointed as the brigade’s political commissar (in October, the State Defense Committee abolished the position of political commissar in the Red Army, replacing it with the position of deputy commander for political affairs). That same evening, after presenting the appointment orders, Wang Xinlin took Zhou Baozhong, Zhang Shoujian, and Kim Il-sung to see the Commander of the Far Eastern Front, Army General Apanasenko, who was at that time with the front’s Chief of Staff, Smorodinov. During the conversation with them, Apanasenko said: “The purpose of creating the Chinese brigade is to train military cadres for the national revolutionary struggle in the various provinces of Northeast China. As soon as a new situation arises in Manchuria, the Chinese Special Brigade must play a huge role, becoming a connecting link between the Far Eastern Army and the Chinese Army, so that the population of the various provinces of Northeast China can free themselves from the oppression of Japanese imperialism. Therefore, after the brigade is formed, it is necessary to engage in military training at an accelerated pace, in order to be in a state of full combat readiness at any time.”

Regarding the training of the brigade commander and political commissar, they must know not only strategy and tactics, but also the principles, regulations, and experience of the partisan movement.

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Sergeant Major of the 88th Rifle Brigade of the Red Banner Far Eastern Army
Lee Min.Khabarovsk, 1945

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On the occasion of the 24th anniversary of the October Revolution, the Soviet delegation met
with Chairman of the Military Committee Chiang Kai-shek in Chongqing, where the Kuomintang government had moved after the capture of Nanjing by the Japanese.
Standing behind Chiang Kai-shek to his left is the chief Soviet military adviser, Lieutenant General Vasily Chuikov, who soon left China to defend Stalingrad. November 7, 1941

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We endured historic inaccuracy for 2 years as collateral damage after The Merge…its time we correct some of this historic inaccuracy and help bloated tech trees look cleaner. Yes. Split British/Commonwealth from Americans into two different Tech Trees. Ditto for Italian from German/Axis.

Matchmaking would be unchanged as it works off of the parent faction (which should be named “Allies” and “Axis” from “USA” and “Germany” respectively.

As far as China is concerned, historically, there really were 2 main Chinese forces. Yes, they paused the Civil War to fight the Japanese, however they did function completely different from each other and rarely operated in the same battle together. And if they did, they basically were just in the same battle but acted independently.

Currently, we only have event and premium Chinese squads, so they act a little different than the British and the Italians, whom have Tech Tree squads. In the future, I do think Nationalist Chinese need an Allied TT as discussed above like the British/Commonwealth AS WELL AS a Soviet Communist Chinese TT. Both complete with TT squads. Ditto for Free French forces in an Allied TT.

Of course, with this are huge game mechanic issues, mainly ignoring Japan, who already doesnt have Legacy Squads. There are options, though. Specifically, Manchukuo and Thailand/Siam; complete with Chinese, Korean, and Thai voicelines.

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So, refining this camp’s branch is the first task at present to solve the historical legacy issues.

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is there a Finnish Sub-Faction planned in this scenario, which will be limited to 1-3 BR?

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One thing should be a bit clarified regarding this suggestion and poll.

The most important thing for me is that new (sub) factions are hard locked to maps, eras and BRs (no, without opening them to all maps and all BRs in the future).

I want China but only BR 1-2/3 and only limited to maps set in China.

I want Finland but not if that means BR5 Finnish assault rifle and jet in Tunisia.

I want France with Dunkirk 1940 BUT NOT fighting alongside Americans, against Puma 1944 and Volkssturm boys.

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This is just a suggestion of concept. Under this concept, you can insert every faction that meet the basical require into such sub-faction tech tree.

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The idea of the sub-sect is very good.
However, among the players enlisted, there are many who are keen on experiencing a sense of historical immersion.
This disparity has created a significant difference personnel between enlisted and the war thunder.
Especially, in the “enlisted” mode, we do not have a sufficient number of players to support the split of different modes such as arcade, historical, and realistic.
I believe this is also the reason why the “wolf”, “realistic”, and “customization” modes were developed, and why these features were marginalized.
Therefore, I have an idea: could developers create a hybrid faction, namely the Volunteer faction?
The story of this camp originated from the selfless support of the Communist International organization for the global communist cause. Even in the distant East, there was Henry Norman Bethune; Kwarkanath S. Kotnis; Che Guevara. They have selflessly devoted everything they had in order to bring happiness to the working people in other countries and regions. This spirit was the most precious treasure of that era.
On the contrary, since Mussolini initiated the modern fascist movement (not the modern neo-fascism, nor the ancient fascism). There are also a considerable number of believers spreading throughout the world.
Not to mention the deeply-rooted, outdated feudal royalist faction, and the emerging democratic camp.
Everyone is promoting their own ideas, as if it were a new kind of religious war.
Within the volunteer faction, players will be able to use a wide variety of equipment from different countries (not only major ones, but also those that assist minor countries such as Mexico, Argentina, Cuba, Turkey, etc.), many of which will be civilian versions of the weapons used by the regular army, modified during wartime, or produced in small quantities by civilian gunsmiths or engineers.
The soldiers in the volunteer faction will be randomly assigned all soldier models (default initial state), and players can dress them up with costume cards and gold coins to make them look in the style they prefer.
Players who participate in the match battles using the volunteer faction will be forced to randomly join all the factions’ battles within the selected BR range (that is, if a player uses BR5 in the volunteer faction, they will be forced to randomly join the BR5 battle rooms of the Soviet, American, German, and Japanese factions).
The weapons and vehicle equipment of the volunteer faction may be slightly weaker compared to the technology trees of the other four regular armies. However, by using the volunteer faction, players will not only enjoy the random combat bonus from random battles, but will also receive an additional bonus of silver coins (yes, only the additional silver coin bonus, which encourages some players to spend more time in the volunteer faction and obtain more silver coins to buy silver coin boxes or purchase various supplies for their other four factions).

PS:Currently, there is a very serious contradiction. Many players are opposed to the developers’ haphazard/overly liberal practice of placing soldiers on the wrong battlefields. These players don’t like the chaotic battlefields in the arcade mode of War Thunder.
They enjoy the historical mode. They are fond of World War II. I think this is also a fact that we need to face.
If players prefer chaotic modern battlefields, why don’t they choose COD, BF, or the upcoming War Thunder - Infantry mode?
These players who enjoy chaos have a greater chance of leaving the enlisted program in the future. After all, they know and firmly believe that in the “enlisted” version, it is impossible to further expand the content related to the Cold War and modern warfare (this is the conclusion reached by the players through independent thinking based on the available information, rather than a passive acceptance of a commercial deception).
Even now, many players have become so disgusted with the appearance of Eastern soldiers in the European battlefield that they have even gone to the extreme. They are no longer willing to make demands to the developers and are gradually intensifying their persecution of those Eastern players who have different viewpoints. The number of these extremists is also increasing, and the player community is being divided and opposed by the developers.

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That’s just Join any but with extra steps. And some added nonsense

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The developers claimed that they were professional and did not require any additional instructions from the players.
– By: keofox. I merely presented a draft of the proposal.
Moreover, there is a more detailed plan in my document.
However, since I am not part of the development team, I have no obligation or responsibility to create and provide a complete commercializable plan.
I merely proposed a plan that is different from the one proposed by the management team, and even this plan is not my own opinion. It incorporates suggestions that many players have made since 2022.
If the developers can see it, they will naturally expand or improve this plan within a few minutes. If this is just nonsense coming out of your mouth, then what is your solution?
How specific and actionable is it?

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The added nonsense is your “Volunteer” faction. Your idea is just a separate faction that does the exact same thing as just turning on “Join any Army”. It adds nothing but further diluting the game with ahistorical and antihistorical nonsense. It adds no XP, no maps, no weapons, no skins just rubbish.

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Everyone has his own view on how important each faction was at beating the axis powers, I personally see it as:

  1. Soviets, since the eastern front doesn’t compete with the western front at all in amount of death, tanks, men and duration of the fighting. The eastern front was pure hell, 80% of the fighting for Germany was done in the east.

  2. The Brits, yes unpopular opinion, but the Brits crippled the German airforce and navy so much that Germany never recovered from it. Imagine the German air invasion of England would have been successful, this would have made a huge difference in the war, imagine Germany kept its early war air superiority, maybe even Stalingrad would have fallen completely into German hands, also imagine Germany not running out of fuel at the end of the war if the Brits wouldn’t have kicked the Germans out of Africa … yeah, people give the Brits to little credit.

  3. Italy - crippling the axis since day one.

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  1. USA - just out of spite ranking this low, since I hate it when I see self obsessed Yankees thinking they won WW2 by themselves.

Okay jokes aside, I would totally love to see a full Chinese front, people dont realise it because they know nothing about China during WW2, but just googling casualties by nation would suggest that even my list could potentially be wrong.

~25 Million dead Soviets
~20 Million dead Chinese
~7 million dead Germans
~under 2 million dead French, US and Brits

Numbers dont lie, and even tho Chinese casualties are primarily civilians, I doubt the Chinese just died without any resistance. There were some major battles taking place in China that so desperately should finally get the attention they deserve.

It really sucks that Hollywood made it seem like WW2 started on the beaches of Normandy, when in reality the war was effectively over by 1943 - 1944.

Stalingrad was a too big loss for Germany and Kursk was the final nail in the coffin. Africa was lost, Italy has been invaded, Japan lost its main fleet in Midway.

1944 was really just the end of the war.

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Some people cannot understand what the Spanish campaign is, they cannot understand what volunteers are, they cannot understand what the Communist International is, they cannot understand what Listenbourg is. They will only report others’ posts as inappropriate, claiming that it is an insult to their ignorance.
But these contents are the most common things that any normal human being knows. They can be combined with my suggestions within the context of World War II to expand our game. Of course, “Listenbourg” is a counterattack against those who have no real knowledge but only talk about false history and believe in false information.

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I would absolutely adore seeing a proper subfaction system in Enlisted in the long run. It would really help to open the door to covering new battlefields and conflicts that others mightn’t be as familiar with. I’d personally love to play a proper Chinese subfaction all with my current main being Japan.

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