Well this depends 30 mm German are very different from the 30 mm Japanese. You can test them and compare them the Germans are far better with much more HE.
Well that’s the problem but the Ki - 83 has guns on the bottom of the nose so with a jet you not gonna go full frontal from below you will try to spiral in altitude or get him in a dog fight. The outcome of the fight will be determined on who had the high ground in frontal engagement since if you do none of his cannons will hit you:
Well 30 mm Japanese are not as deadly as GE. Just compare the BF 109 Z-1 and Ki 83.
Not exactly if it was a fighter plane yes but its ground attacker. The Xa and the Mosquito have better anti ground capabilities. If the Ki was a fighter with 100 kg bombs would be BR IV fighter however a ground attacker is first judged by its anti ground capabilities. So as a ground attacker with only 2x100 kg bombs Ki- 83 cant be BR IV since you cant destroy ground targets with it. The armor at this BR gets very heavy.
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I doubt it.
For the 30 mm Type 5 cannon, it was better than all 30mm cannon in Germany.
It was very powerful to use fast speed and APHE bullets.
However, I think we will have to see the exact data of the 30mm Ho-155 cannon once we see it.
But I’m not worried because the performance of the 30mm itself is guaranteed.
Well test them in game I already did I played the game since I have played the BF I can tell you every person that played the Ki-83 will tell you that the German cannons have more HE just go in game spawn the BF 109 Z-1 that has 2 cannons 30 mm and shoot at the ground then spawn the Ki-83 and shoot at the ground. The BF 109 Z-1 is a better ground attacker and its a fighter at BR IV.
Every pilot will tell you that MK 108 has higher explosive (HE) filler then Ho-155 and the rates of fire on MK 108 are better.
Mk 108 is 650-660
Ho-155 is 450 to 500
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The problem is that in the case of APHE, tank can also be destroyed.
As APHE, there is no decrease in penetration over distance, and as mentioned above, Japan’s 30mm is enough to slaughter infantry.
Well, but I think I’ll have to see the exact 30mm Ho-155 cannon data first.
Of course, the actual data used in the Warthunder.
This statement is not true in warthunder neither in enlisted I have played them.
No it cant be you cant destroy even a Sherman with them I have tried. There can be only some lucky engine shot that can set on fire thats the best you can do but you cant destroy the tank or pen it.A slight angle will make it impossible to pen.
As you can see I have the plane I tested it already.
Well
I’ve also destroy Pershing a few times with 30mm of Kikka. (max 36mm)
Oh, it was definitely better than the impossible Mk 108.
Another problem was the low bullet speed to Mk 108.
Thanks to this, I prefer Type 5 cannon to Mk 108. (500 vs 770)
But it’s not about Type 5.
So I’ll have to look at the data of the 30mm Ho-155 cannon first.
All I know is that the penetration is terrible. (No APHE)
The Pershing can be penned only on perfect conditions and again on the engine side where it wont cause death to the tank if the fire is extinguished. To suggest that you can destroy reliably Pershing with Japanese 30 mm is not realistic. The guy must not react at all. All the Pershing needs to do is start moving. And what you can do with the Kikka you cant do with Ki-83 since if you try to attack with the same angle do to the size of the plane you will crash.
That’s why I don’t expect tanks on Ho-155.
What I lean on Ho-155 is infantry killing and airplane destruction.
The plane itself performs well, and it’s a combination that can never fail unless the Ho-155 has a HE shell.
100kg bomb is only used for tanks, as 30mm cannons will be enough for the rest of the infantry. (if HE shell exists)
Which makes it a BR III ground attacker if it was a fighter plane I would put it on BR IV but this is supposed to be their ground attacker.
Also, the reason why we need such a plane on the attack plane now is because of the presence of P-47D-28.
To be honest, this one plane created a 2:1 composition, not a 1:1 composition.
That’s why Fw 190 D-12 is playing that role in GE, and this Ki-83 is only playing that role in Japan.
All they need is to make Kikka ground attacker instead of this we got a plane that is a fighter in ground attacker category that’s its hard to balance unless they give it 2x250 kg bombs.
I had a fly on test. I might have been expecting too much but it wasnt as responsive as I expected.
Perhaps the full fuel weight is holding it down (plus 1 star)
Could be i ruined it by flying it in warthunder first
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Well also it overheats a bit too fast.
I don’t think that’s going to happen, unless you add Jet attackers to every faction.
It also has a balance problem.
The difference in the pilot is a problem. (perk, stat issue)
If add Jet attackers to every country, another problem is Soviet.
They’ve only just added a Su-9 and it’s not easy to add another bomb jet.
Well Japan wont be having a jet fighter so it will be asymmetrical balance and the Kikka don’t have much ammo its the perfect ground attacker.
as I said above
The pilot is the problem.
Fighter pilot are a bit better than attacker pilot. (perk, stat issue)
This is easily fixable I dont see the problem in that at all. It can be patched very easily.
In the case of the jet, if move to the attacker because of the pilot, it’s nerf.
Well its not a big deal since its gonna be ground attacker so will be much more beneficial then now. You can combine it with good propeller. Ki-84-Ko and Kikka vs Meteor and P-47 is balanced and will be even then in allies favor but at least there will be some competition not like now.
The problem is that except for the jet, it’s the auxiliary, not the main.
It’s nice to have strong assistance, but it’s not good to weaken the main.
And the 2:2 composition really corresponds to the top play, usually with one jet destroying the enemy plane, another plane have big bomb attacker as an option.
In fact, Germany does. (Ju-188 or Fw D-12)
If Kikka is changed to an attacker, it can’t do that.
Therefore, it’s better to leave the Kikka as it is.
