Improve the Ki-83

Make the Ki-83 a REAL attacker

  • Japan seriously lacks planes, there is a need for a high BR attacker; this is not it
  • it has no gunners for defense
  • the cannons are in the nose, not optimal for strafing infantry, need more wide spread
  • only 2 x 100 kg bombs. why do japanese planes always get crappy mini bombs of 60 kg or 100 kg or just 2 rockets?
  • nobody plays/wants BR 4 so why put another plane there?
  • it will face BR 3 or BR 5 and lack bombs everywhere
  • make it BR 3 and give it 4 x 100 kg or 6 x 100 kg bombs + rockets
  • make it BR 5 and give it at least 4 x 250 kg + rockets

Some comparison (ALL other nation’s attackers have bigger/more bombs!):

USA BR 2
SBD-3: 1 x 1000 lb + 2 x 100 lb
AP-1: 2 x 500 lb

USA BR 3
Mosquito: 2 x 500 lb
XA-38: 4 x 500 lb
Whirlwind: 2 x 500 lb

USA BR 4
A-20G-25: 4 x 500 lb

USSR BR 2
Sb-2m: 6 x 100 kg
IL-2 1941: 4 x 50 kg
Su-2: 6 x 100 kg

USSR BR 3
IL-2M: 4 x 100 kg + rockets
Pe-2-31: 6 x 100 kg
Pe-3: 4 x 100 kg
A-20 Boston: 4 x 100 kg

USSR BR 5
IL-10: 2 x 250 kg
Tu-2S: 6 x 250 kg

Germany BR 1
Potez: 2 x 200 kg
Fw-189: 4 x 50 kg

Germany BR 2
Ju-87 B-2: 1 x 250 kg + 4 x 50
Ju-87 D-5: 1 x 250 kg + 4 x 50
Ju-87 R-2: 1 x 500 kg

Germany BR 3
Ju-87 D-3: 3 x 250 kg
Bf 110 C-7: 2 x 250 kg
Bf 110 F-2: 2 x 250 kg

Germany BR 5
Ju 188 A-2: 6 x 250 kg
Me 410: 2 x 250 kg
Fw 190 D-12: 1 x 250 kg + 4 x 50

Conclusion: Ki-83 bomb load is much too weak for BR 3-4-5

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That is a very converluted way to say that only the soc is worse in payload.

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and give it 4 12mm cannons wait we not saying stupid things
500 bomb = 226 kg
or give them a 1000 kg load and disable the guns and move it to br3
you can ask for heavy cannons and treat them like light cannons

The problem is they don’t have such a thing
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It’s just a fighter that only have 2*50kg bomb in warthunder, it already got buffed.

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Like that would have ever been problem in enlisted.

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Just put it in BR III or Give it 250 kg bomb in BR IV and it will be OK not great but Ok plane.

The J5N1 actually was going to be better option since it has 250 kg bomb not in war thunder but nothing can prevent them from giving it its bomb but the best option is in world of planes:


The last option is just to put Kikka to ground attacker also very easy solution.

There is also this one:

That’s good BR IV V ground attackers.

And they didnt needed ground attacker since they where losing the war at this time so all focus was on making interceptors but here you can actually win this battles so the Japanese production of planes would be different.

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In my opinion the Ki-102 would have been a better choice.

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It a perfect BR III ground attacker. Instead the devs pick very strange option every time then its hard to fix it :smiley:

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There are plenty good bombload fighters in WT that could be made attackers in Enlisted

They did that with american P47 so why not

Best example is Enlisted p38.

One is an attacker, the other a fighter… both are p38.

Because Enlisted.

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Actually it will not.

Japan BR4 can only face BR4/5 because br3 can only face br2/3. This is only for japan and makes their BR4 even more dreadfull.

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I think this is the first time a plane has come with a payload not in warthunder?

Apparantly it could have a 250kg bomb but, i dont see that as much different than 2x100s. Bit more potential with 2 (IMO)

Doesnt look like a BR IV plane though (this is one of the few i havent flown so…not sure how it handles)

Way back I did suggest this as a potential BR V plane. Things are a bit different now (jets, heavier ordnance)

Still rooting for the ki-45

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No, BF-109 K4 can only have 500kg bomb in WT but has 250kg in Enlisted (though at first it did not had anything)

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Old k4 had 250 in warthunder, not sure why removed

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Well you cant make interceptor like this plane a ground attacker the devs should just put it in a fighter squadron. They can try make it ground attacker at BR III and see what happens but no matter how I look at it it should have been some premium fighter plane despite that I love this plane but lets see. Simply the plane is a fighter plane and it has no payload or capacity to be ground attacker.

Here I have put all the Japanese planes they can be put in this setup if the devs have the will to do it and Japan will have competitive air force:

Saving Japanese Air Force TT Blueprint :vohiyo: - Suggestions - Enlisted

But the devs will have to make at least one plane that’s not in war thunder and adjust some payloads that are not in warthunder.

I took it for a fly in warthunder last night. Nice looking bird. Was fun

I suppose its not the first interceptor/heavy fighter with attacker tag. But yeah, there are better “attacker” options for CAS. This is more just a bit of flavour (Im all for choices)

At least now japan has 2 slots for air supremacy instead of just the fighter slot

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That’s the only positive thing how they gonna balance it I dont know xD

To be honest, if they change it to 250kg x 2
Instead, it should be changed from BR4 to BR5.
The plane performance is better than the P-47D-28, and the machine gun is 30mm x 2, which is extremely destructive to the plane and killing infantry. (Based on the HE belt)
Of course, this alone won’t destroy the tank, but so if they switch to 250kg x 2, it could be similar or even better than P-47D-28.
I’m in favor of this being changed to 250kg x 2 and to BR5.

One thing is for sure
Ki-83 is the only plane that can exist in BR5 except for jets.

I didn’t think it because 50kg x 2 was max before, but if they can change the bomb to something better, there’s no better plane than this.

Well the bomb size will really determent the BR of this plane if its with 100 kg bombs it hard to be BR III+ since its useless against ground targets (unless it was fighter plane). If it has 2x250 kg bombs it can be BR IV or BR V. But its not on the level of a Jet for sure since jets are better at everything and have bigger bombs so no plane in existence that is not a jet can exist in BR 5. Even in war thunder they are separated for a reason you are going from 6.0 to 7.0 + and this is important BR since its from propeller to jet BR.

P-47D-28 if it had a single 250 kg bomb would be BR III plane.

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Well, the problem is that there’s not just bombs here.
The problem is that the plane itself has the best performance, and the 30mm x 2 is very powerful.
With this plane performance and this punch power, one advantage is that it is also effective against jets.
No matter how fast the jet is, it will be destroyed right away with just one 30mm hit.
Also, 30mm is the deadliest even for infantry, as mentioned above.
I’ve been killing at least 10 infantry at a one time with Me262 and Fw190 D-12, Bf 109 K-4 and Kikka’s 30mm.
I think the reason why this plane can’t go below BR3 is because it has top performance for an attacker plane, strong cannon, and 100Kg x 2 minimum bomb, so it can’t go down to BR3.
If this goes down to BR3, it will be more OP attacker than XA-38 to be honest.
Therefore, BR4 is appropriate, and honestly, I would like to change it to 250kg and change it to BR5.