So I was wondering if this is worth it for my collection and my German BR3 lineup (Yeah I’m a sadist who play German BR3).
I wonder if the additional track plates are significant against tanks like Kv1, t34 or Sherman with 80-90 pen, and how much harder it will be to aim for the weak spot of this tank? Anyone with experience?
Edit: Also the mesh sideskirt, is it a downgrade of the normal variant? Enlisted doesn’t provide me with preview so I just wonder.
Aside from its unique camouflage paint scheme and historical background, the Panzer IV Ausf. J is practically a paper tiger in Tier 3 battles. I don’t recommend buying it because Tier 3 now includes not only the Hellcat tank but also the soon-to-be-added British Achilles’ tank destroyer. Even if the Panzer IV can support infantry, you can’t withstand a single enemy shell detonating its ammunition rack.
I’m with you in the same boat. It’s basically just a copy and paste hybrid between the TT J and H. It is a command variant with an extra antenna though but other than that you’re basically paying for the cosmic at this point. Tankers have a cool grey uniform too.
Don’t pay any attention to the clown above me either.
If it’s similar to the original armoured J:
It used to be useful in campaign mode when facing jumbos… it could, sometimes, deflect some shots.
Nowadays br3 Shermans have potent shells. those 1 shot kill any pz4 in game without needing to aim at weaknesses.
So…
Don’t buy it because of the added track armour. Just buy it if you like it’s look.
You’re absolutely right. If Enlisted’s historical battles still existed, this Panzer IV Ausf. J tank from the 10th SS Panzer Division “Nordic” would have performed adequately in the Battle of Berlin. However, since historical battles are no longer available, and with the mixed tier 3 matchmaking system, all sub-models of the Panzer IV are at a disadvantage. Even as infantry fire support, it’s no different from a lower-tier Panzer III. Therefore, the strongest tank now is the Tiger II, followed by the Panther, and lastly the Tiger. So, unless Enlisted adopts a +/- tier matchmaking system, the 5300 gold is simply for buying a limited-edition Panzer IV camouflage.
Preformed adequately 
stop lying. The panzer 4 J was awful in Berlin and even in Normandy. There’s a reason it was the starter tank in Berlin because it was obliterated by everything. The Panzer 4 performs better now than ever did in the campaign system due to it being able to downtier.
So unfortunately I’m basically a try hard who like to pay for premium. (Edit: That means if it’s actually better like I speculated I’m fine paying for it, but I’m not sure if it is the case.)
It looks like with these added armour (albeit being structural, if the formula is the same of WT then it’s equivalent to about 7mm armour steel) this tank can effective stop shots from F34 and possibly even Zis 5 with the slightest angle, also if I remembered correctly american 75mm shots is also about 90mm penetration, if that’s true then this mere 7mm can bring the armour over than threshold too.
If enlisted has WT’s armour preview function I’ll really test it out myself, I really speculate that these tracks do provide critical thickness to stop those ~90mm pen cannon.
You’ll literally never notice the difference man, it’s a miracle that it’ll ever stop something. Looks cool though.
Unfortunately for the pz4, all shermans in Enlisted now sport m61 shells, 102 pen at 100m…
During the Normandy campaign mode, shermans had the m72, with 88 at 100m. It’s why it USED to be able to ding… very few shots. Not anymore really. the m61 is also why any pz4 and below explode in a single shot nowadays.
Note:
if you want to yolo, the rocket tank and the flak 88 truck are now br3. if you go glass canon, why not go all the way, eh.
I just found that out on data sheet. yikes. Not sure issuing M61 for murican is ever a good idea imo.
One of my friend has this tank in WT and he tested for me, these armour were basically only effective against F34 and Zis5 on BR3, and for the lesser one like 45mm they also do the job, but as your said that’s pretty much it, for shermans there’s no differences.
That’s really something for me to ponder now.
The community asked for it at some point.
Shermans are now the best tanks in the game for br3, no contest. (yes even better than dreaded KV). Stabilizer, good mobility, powerful shots, decent defense.
Classical. That’s why I voted against the majority of those posts. Shermans with m72 is perfectly balanced at BR3 (as that’s what I was assuming shermans use), and excuse me but the majority of the community really only knows to cry about their experience when they are wrecked. They don’t consider the possible complication of the consequences of those requests at all.
Now I’m seeing suggestions like moving SMLE Mk3(T) to BR2, or the popular one recently, moving Achilles to BR3, and oh my world these guys… I just hope devs are smart enough to avoid these again.
I abstained about the shells back then, I didn’t really care that much. Mostly allies mains absolutely wanted it, so here it is.
About the Achiles, it would not mater if it were br3 instead of 4, really. That is, because of how br function in Enlisted:
You can’t really kill something “more” (you either do or don’t), it’s why there would be no difference. In truth, if you think about it, regular Shermans are much more lethal to everything axis have in br3, than the Achiles ever could be. It’s why I think it’d be fine: There’s more than just canon power for balance.
A good comparison: the flak88 axis truck, is br3. it sports the best canon in the entire game. nobody complains. Because it’s slow, big, unarmoured etc… Achiles is slow, has low armour, reload slowly… and can be one shot by everything axis have in br3, UNLIKE Sherman.
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If anything, facing Achiles would help the axis faction as they’re easier to take down. eh.
Notice how both those polls were both in favour of moving them. Almost like the majority saw the logic in the argument.
You want a Sherman counter? Push for more BR 4 tank destroyers in the TT to move down to BR 3.
(This is a bit off topic but we are in mess hall anyway)
My point on that was it was straight up unfair for literally every other TD, especially the M10. It’s a fact written in data that american 76mm cannon has non-standard nerf on their HE (with only 10m fragment range compare with regular 15m of the normal 75mm cannons), while that wasn’t the case for British 17pdr.
I understand that TDs in general are struggling in this game, but I’m just surprised that nobody called for other vehicles that’s in desperate need of downtier or buff like su85M. Also while it is true that all Axis BR3 tank get blown by a single shot from the US/UK tanks, it is not to say that we won’t have other vehicles in the future. I was too lazy about it but let’s say Jdpz 4 with Pak40 could totally be downtiered in the future, or Jdpz 4 A-0 could totally be added at BR3, those vehicles could absolutely suffer from Achilles.
So it’s more of a potential threat to the balance really. I understand those people who own Achilles want to see it become more useful, but to be honest I doubt if this is a valid way.
I think it’s the natural tendency for people to advocate for buffs, when people seeing something buffed they’re mostly happy about it, rarely would anyone consider the consequences. It’s normal, thus why I said I hope devs are professional about it, I don’t want to see this game fell into the power greed cycle.
The consequences were discussed extensively and there were little to none in both arguments. Making something viable/useable doesn’t mean it will become overpowered.
Oh, I’m the guy that says that almost all TDs should get lowered from 1 br. That is those open top, or no turret, or very slow… Just those Tds with guns found on way more potent tanks in the same br. there’s no point using a TD in Enlisted, if one wishes to be competitive… They all chose tanks, which are in the same br, with the same canons.
Thankfully devs just started seeing to reason and lowered a few.
Example being marder H. it was br3, can you imagine? That’s because soviet mains didn’t want a potent canon to be low br (or really just they hate other factions). it made no sense.
The big dicker was 4 before too. a few allies TDs were too high br as well (poor Hellcat now is usable!)
only thing I’m not sure should be lowered is the Ho Ri, because it’s a menace.
I spent over 2000 hrs playing games like steel divisions, wargame series and broken arrow, and for me it’s abundantly clear the value of those tank that are infantry-support centric. I am also somewhat of a try hard in this game and to be honest, I won’t even give it a god darn of tanks most of the time since their impact on the battlefield is pretty small, only occasionally you got good players with vehicles that require dedicated attention.
TD in comparison does a even smaller impact on the battlefield, they don’t have turret/turret travers incredibly slow, many of them don’t have coaxial gun, and their cannons are almost exclusively long barrel AT guns that’s lackluster in terms of infantry support. Given these facts I just don’t think it’s gonna hurt the balance of the game by downtiering those TDs, at least downtiering them can allow them to do what they do best, that’s to destroy other tanks.
So yeah maybe one day there shall be a post about it and devs can take some time to do a grand balancing scheme for TDs.
Back then, this tank was a clear downgrade compared to the PZ IVs in the tech tree. Its crew had a terrible perk point distribution that prevented them from taking very important tanker perks (such as changing ammunition types mid-reload).
But since all old premium squads were reworked in this regard, the squad is now on par with tech tree tanks.
Tracks usually don’t matter. Not to mention that 15mm-thick tracks shouldn’t even have 15mm of effective armor. But whatever.
BR3 Germans are fun, I’ve set up two separate lineups for them.
