probably gonna get flammed by saying this but the Ferdinand was fine at br4 now before you jump in and say ‘‘NoTHİnG CaN PeN iT itS tO oP’’ lemme point out some facts why i think that way:
Lemme start with the most important one: the armor. I mean, that’s the whole point of why people complained and got it to BR 5 in the first place, right? It almost can’t get penetrated frontally by the corresponding enemy tanks like the IS-1 or the 76 Sherman. Well, that’s the reason the Ferdinand and other tank destroyers were made in the first place. It’s a tank destroyer an armored fighting vehicle specifically designed to find and hunt enemy tanks.
Having an advantage in tank to tank combat is the one and only thing that the Ferdinand is superior at, and that’s about it. Literally every other scenario is a huge disadvantage for the tank, like flanking, AT gunners, or CAS. The roof armor is only 10 mm thick; all it takes is just one C4/dynamite/bazooka to bring it down. Hell, you can even bring it down with a BR 1 Seagull or Yak-1 with their 100 lb bombs if you manage to land a direct hit.
The lack of a cupola MG and a rotating turret makes this even harder to fight against those roles, and let’s not forget how low the mobility is. At this point, the weaknesses the tank has far surpass the only advantage it has which is fine for a tank destroyer, but having it at BR 5 just makes it obsolete.
I mean, why should I use the Ferdinand when I have the Tiger II (H)? It does everything better than the Ferdinand. It’s more mobile, has an cupola MG, can rotate its turret to counter flankers… The only difference is having 50 mm less armor, but you get compensated for that by having sloped armor. It just makes much more sense to play the Tiger II over the Ferdinand; it just does its job better because it’s a heavy tank.
That’s the thing, though: if this was like War Thunder and we only had tank vs tank combat, then I would absolutely favor the tank being moved to BR 5. But the fact that we have other elements like infantry and CAS to deal with doesn’t justify its placement at BR 5.
By your logic, the Tiger H1 should get to BR 5 as well. But guess what? It’s at BR 4. Why? Because of the factors I wrote earlier above. The same applies to the Ferdinand.
Did you read my post at all? Enlisted is just not about tank vs tank combat. If that was the case, like I said, I would be supporting the idea of moving it to BR 5. You just can’t compare some balance adjustments from another game lol. War Thunder is vehicle vs vehicle only.
You have the infantry/CAS factor to deal with, which makes the Ferdinand poor to fight with. The Tiger II (H) has far more survivability against those elements. Why should I use the Ferdinand if I have a better tank to use against those odds?
M10 is open, and its M2HB performs worse in Enlisted, so not sure how that makes it better against inf.
T-34 has an MG and is closed, so there goes that, I guess.
Plus if we go full Enlisted, only morons get flanked.
That is why most tanks camp in greyzones, so the biggest issues in terms of infantry are Guerrillas.
And even there, Ferdinand is the second-best option since it is closed, only topped by the T34-57.
So does the M10.
Why should I use Tiger E if Tiger II exists? Why should I use M26 Pershing if T26 exists? Why should I use IS2 if IS2 (1944) exists?
Why should I use anything but the best-performing gear in respective BR/ faction?
you have cas for that i’ve seen a fair share of good pilots not letting those type of players even breathe let alone position themselfs for infantry/tank suppression
All tanks face this danger, but tank destroyers especially struggle against it. Look at the Ho-Ri don’t even have a cupola to pop out of to fend off infantry, neither an MG nor anything else. The M10 at least has both a commander .50 cal and a turret-mounted 7.62 to defend itself against infantry.
The Ferdinand, on the other hand, only has a hull MG which doesn’t work at the moment.
Because I want to increase my survivability with the best equipment available to me—to, you know, win the game?
Nah the ferdinand shouldn’t be added on first place and instead give germans a rocket spam planes like the ME262 with 24 RM4 rockets (number sounds scary but these are anti tank rockets not like HVAR)
If this thing goes to BR4, it would trigger an arms race. Tanks from other nations at BR3 would have to rely on vehicles from 5.7 to 6.0 to find weapons capable of penetrating its front armor. Moreover, this vehicle is historically placed at 6.7 in War Thunder. It might as well replace the Tiger II at BR6 instead.
got all 4 nations TT resarched m8 Every nation has its strengths and weaknesses like the U.S. having the best CAS, the USSR having the best SMGs/MGs, and Germany having the best armor. I’m just defending the fact that, in this case, Germany’s Ferdinand should have the upper hand in tank vs tank combat, because that’s that nation’s specific strength. You just can’t balance every nation and make them equally 100% lol it would be meaningless to play other nations otherwise.
you can literally do the same to the ferdinand it only has 10mm of roof armor all it takes is a explosion pack you know the gadget that EVERY SOLDİER regardless of class can equip???
i am already using it? what a weird way to trying to shut down the debate lol
Ferdinant will be much easier to pen than people realise - however a good tanker will know to 100% face his target straight, even a little bit of angling will turn its side view port weakspots from effective Panther armor into effective Panzer IV H armor.
That being said, Panther is already very strong in BR4 - possibly even OP, its hull armor and main gun are BR5 material, however Panther has mobility issues, and its 80mm sloped armor doesn’t matter when considering its turret armor is basically 100mm+ thick.
Ferdinant in BR4 is ridiculous, but in BR5 its somewhat usable, but I would guess Tiger II H has rather similar protection considering weakspots. So its either OP or, semi decent at best. But what bothers me more is people asking for Jagdtiger.
This whole reply alone made my eyes bleed, fr. Firstly, this isn’t War Thunder, m8 stop comparing balance adjustments from another game lol. Second, BR 3 tanks like the M10 or T-34 can pen the hull cheeks frontally if you get the right angle; it’s just not as easy as it is with some other tanks, like the Super Pershing where you just point and click. Except for the Ho-Ri and King Tiger, where you again aim for their respective weak spots. You guys just whine instead of getting gud. If you’re complaining that the King Tiger should be moved to BR 6 (assuming your squads are BR 5), pure skill issue bs is all i have to say learn the weak spots.
Every nation has its strengths and weaknesses like the U.S. having the best CAS, the USSR having the best SMGs/MGs, and Germany having the best armor. I’m just defending the fact that, in this case, Germany’s Ferdinand should have the upper hand in tank vs tank combat, because that’s that nation’s specific strength. You just can’t balance every nation and make them equally 100% lol it would be meaningless to play other nations otherwise.