You forget the fact that tank destroyers suck in Enlisted. Personally, I never see them in combat, regardless of which nation I play. The map is just too small to use their full potential. This is one of the other reasons I think it deserves BR 4. Because I know for a fact that when the Ferdinand comes out, after just a couple of days people trying out the tank, everyone will return to using the King Tiger. After that, you might see it once every 100 matches, from a player who is just grinding the TT to get to the King Tiger.
Look at the Jagdpanther G1, for crying out loud! Ever since it came out at BR 5 which has been, what, 5 or 6 months? I’ve never seen it once in a match, and I play almost daily.
These statistics alone should give you the idea why the Ferdinand at BR 5 is ridiculous. At 4, people might use it more often because of its survivability in that range. And don’t forget: you STILL can get uptiered which, in BR 4’s case, you almost always do anyway.
Another thing: Jagdtiger at BR 7??? LMAO. What do you want to fight it against? Cold War–era tanks firing sabot rounds like in War Thunder??? BR 5 is fine :'D Super Pershing’s APCR shell can penetrate the hull cheeks easily, as for the IS-2, going for the hull MG weak spot should do the trick.
You say this isn’t War Thunder, but you can’t argue that just because it’s a completely different game, it absolutely shouldn’t follow the tier system established in another game based on armored combat. Looking at the overall picture, apart from some vehicles that have been individually upgraded due to their suppression capabilities against infantry, the tiers here largely correspond to those in War Thunder. This is entirely based on who is stronger and who is weaker—something players can judge for themselves. Otherwise, why would so many people want the Ferdinand at BR5? If you say it should be at BR4, what about BR3? The reason the Porsche Tiger can still be at BR4 is that although it has 200mm of additional armor on the front, its sides are only 100mm thick and vertical. The Ferdinand, on the other hand, has comprehensive frontal defense. Can you give examples of which maps allow flanking attacks to penetrate it from a 90-degree frontal angle? Berlin? Not to mention that the 76mm cannon shells haven’t yet introduced the 96mm version. How are slow-moving Shermans and M10s supposed to take it down? Are you suggesting relying on infantry to fill these gaps? Even without considering infantry support, the gap is already this significant. BR4 tanks with flanking capabilities can’t penetrate it from the front either. Are you completely rejecting War Thunder’s tier system just because this isn’t WT?
The Ferdinand is stronger than the Tiger and Panther but weaker than the Tiger King, so there should indeed be an additional BR tier created for such tanks in between.
Extremely debatable.
262 is best CAS fighter in br5
109z is best CAS fighter in br4
Nothing great in br3 which I’m sure will change soon
IAR amongst best CAS fighters in br2
Mg34 is way better than dp27
Mg 42/39 is way better than dpm and 1919a6
If you don’t favor germany and play u.s. just as much you would know it’s not okay for ferd br4.
Well, how should I put it? The frontal armor is indeed strong. Since Enlisted doesn’t feature large maps, no one would be foolish enough to expose 100mm armor instead of leveraging 200mm. I think there could be a Battle Rating between the current BR 3 and 4 to include vehicles like the KV-85 and VK 3002. Otherwise, BR 3 would really struggle against this Porsche Tiger (P).
You are absolutely correct of course. It was perfectly fine at BR IV - if you want to ignore the whole point of the BR system.
The solution to this issue is for the devs to, in general, allow players to bring more specialized vehicles to matches at the same time - not to low tier OP shit to facilitate more grey zone camping.
Su 100 has less armor, slower reload and a Cupula. Ho ri prototype has much less armor. The equivalent is actually the ho ri which has somewhat worse armor but a much better gun.
really ?? i didint know that!!! if thats the case i would say then its justified-ish ??? i mean yes this alone makes a huge difference since basiclly you have the same pak43 gun with faster reload but the fact we only have halfish of the ammo capacity (70 rounds for the tiger 2 and only 40 for the ferdinand) makes it less liable ?? i mean you have to re-arm almost twice as much and with the buffed reload you gonna run out of ammo quiker and since the mobility is even shitier then the tiger2 idk really
lol u high ??? meteor is better overall its the fastest turning jet in the game wich means if you dont get the meteor in the first strife he will get you %100 and the fact it carries 2 bombs instead of 1 wich all other factions carry
again 18 second turn time you have fighters like the p-51 or ap-1 that can easily out turn it you solely say these are better planes bc of their 30mm cannons the thing is though the rounds are slow as hell resulting in needing to be in the enemys face before getting hits
again same deal but this time with the spit fires which they have a crazy 13 sec turn time
even though you might be right about rate of fire and damage output allied rpg’s are much EASİER to use you cant move and shoot with the mg42 the recoil is crazy but mg’s like the maxim tokarev or the rd-44 feels like big mag assault rifles wich you can supress enemys while on the move now before you say it yes im aware that mg’s arent used like that in real life that you just get prone in a position and shoot it that way but the thing is it dosent work in enlisted the enemy just can track your tracers easiely and just 1 tap you from the distance it specially dosent work if you are on the attacker side i have much easier time mowing down enemys with allied mg’s then the german ones
i play all nations i finished all TT resarch across all 4 im not bias’ing germany specificly for example besides the ferdinand i’m against the nerf of the meteor bombs i think the devs should revert it back to 1000lbs ones as for the why i think about the ferdinand that way again like i said earlier germany has the best armor that factions specific strength and putting it to br5 makes it obsolete
Well, to be honest, Ferdi is BR5.
Because the biggest stake in destroying the tank is the anti-tank soldier.
In fact, the anti-tank has about 80%.
However, Ferdi is at least 200mm of armor, effectively making it invincible on the front, just like Ho-Ri.
So the way to destroy it from the front is to ride a tank (even Ferdi has an advantage)
and It’s getting on an airplane.
In fact, I’ve been on the Meteor a few times, and I’ve seen that the bomb’s nerf is so big that it won’t be destroyed even if it’s hit directly. (Honestly the bomb MUST to be rolled back and full of fuel to nerf the maneuverability and change the direction of the nerf.)
That’s why at the moment, there are few ways to destroy Perdi except P-47D-28.
We need to be aware of that.
All the tanks will be camping in the gray zone anyway,
The most important things for tanks are the power of the cannon and the front armor.
That’s why, unlike War Thunder, where can try to bypass and hit the side, it’s impossible in the first place in Enlisted, so front armor are very important.
Enlisted side armor is also very important as it helps against bombs and infantry. But Ferdinand has that too with the same armor as the Tiger side with 80mm.
I just think it’s hilarious that the devs said “We don’t like making knee jerk balance changes, so body armor is gonna stay” before proceeding to nerf the Ferdinand before anyone even got a chance to use it.
really ?? i got hit directly a couple of times with it and it blew every single time i must be unlucky i guess :-p
i kinda semi-disagree to your statment ? i got penned and destroyed frontally a dozen of times by russian paznerfaust 100’s and american ofenrohr’s wich even while in greyzone and dont forget those weapons are br4 to test it i both played ussr and us and it works specially if you have paratroopers in both nations you just drop to the edge of the map grab the at loadout and send it got a couple of ferdinands down that way i guess it all boils down to player skill it dosent matter if you have +200mm of armor a skilled player will find you and get you at the end
It’s a matter of skill?
How do you hit the side when you can’t hit the side?
If not a guerrilla, they never give an angle to attack the sides in the first place.
This is not a matter of skill.
This is definitely either a tank-riding idiot gave you a side, or it’s your delusion.
As already mentioned on the front, the penetration itself is impossible because the minimum armor guarantee 200mm. (for Ofenrhor)
There is no disagreement with this.
