Are we going to keep playing with mainly Italian arms as new levels are added?
Because then the question is how players are supposed to keep playing it? Italian arms and armor are notoriously know for being rusty junk and it is seen well in the game. Italian small arms are worse than British. It gets better as you progress and replace these shooting sticks with normal German weapons, but at the same time Brits get even better guns. And tanks? Italy has less armored, less armed, less maneuverable tanks than GB. Damier has weak armor yeah, but it has a 40 mil cannon instead of a mutated 8 shot machine gun. Even the machinegun itself in Cruiser has 250 rounds in one ammo belt, not 24 rd mags that need to be replaced for more time than it takes to empty it. These are just a couple of examples, there is much more.
So my question is - will German equipment eventually be able to replace Italian as we progress in the campaign? Because if thatâs the case then sure, its a more âchallengingâ nation that takes more skill to play efficiently in the beginning. But if not, then what is the point? To get even more weapons that operate like they were made by orks?
Also, what prompted you to choose Italy as a playable nation in Tunisia to begin with? Diversity? Well, there is no good in diversity if you end up swimming in your own vomit.
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Theyâll just substitute them with more German squads and weapons to fill the gaps
Italian arms and armor are notoriously know for being rusty junk and it is seen well in the game. Italian small arms are worse than British
Fucking armchair historians italian smgs were some of the best of the war and british guns werenât even bad, just cheaply made, go do your research before making stupid trolly posts
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brit guns werenât even cheaply made, itâs that they cut back on some of the refining during the midwar because they assumed the germans were coming over the channel at any moment
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Meanwhile in Germany: âHans we can no longer afford ze power traverseâ
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Sure, maybe. It doesnât make a difference when you have only 2 squads with 4 SMGâs and then 1-2 Assaulters in each squad at best.
I mean thatâs the definition of making something cheaper but ok
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1936: milled everything
1946: stamped panther
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Look mate Iâm not sure what youâve got against it*lians yes I was disappointed at the euros too but you know they have to live in italy so at the end of the day it evens out i guess
thereâs a difference between cutting costs and cutting quality. Even âkriegsmodellâ mausers and âlast-ditchâ arisakas were mechanically strong, well-built, and accurate right til the end of the war. The same is true of 42-43 production No.4 rifles, and even then really only those produced outside of North America
Cheap doesnât necessarily imply cutting quality but this is boring semantics at this point
i was just pointing out that âcheapâ doesnât really matter in the context of that post, man
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How is this historical accuracy backfiring?
Seems to be historical accuracy working as it did - many poor Italian weapons getting replaced by better ones is how the war went!
Nonsense - the Italians made many fine arms - the Breda 1930 LMG, however, was not one of them!
Many argue the 1938 rifle was the best bolt action in the war.
But it was still a bolt action in a world moving to semi-auto.
Ditto the Berretta SMG family - except without being replaced by semi-autos just yet!
Their tanks were ok in 1941, but never really moved past that - later ones were even better for 1941, but that is all.
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I donât know if youâre just a wehraboo or purposefully trolling. Each weapon is unique, you just have to get good and figure out how to use them. Besides gameplay, what are you talking about with saying that the Italians are there for diversity? Maybe you should do more research instead of relying on video games to teach you everything.
Italyâs tank situation feels a lot like how the Japanese decided to approach tanks. I.E. design good ones early on in the war/interwar, and then thereâs never really a lot of pressure to modernize them to compete with the equipment of modern western powers. For most of the war the italians were using tankettes with machineguns for godâs sake, because they never felt like they needed more than that.
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Uh - thatâs not true either - they used them because thatâs what they had - they knew perfectly well they needed better, but if you donât have better then you use what you can.
By the end of 1942 they were out of front line service entirely - being relegated to anti-partisan and other 2nd line roles.
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I am neither. Tell me about the way to get over a tank that poorly penetrates, when does, has little to no damage, has poor ballistics, and doesnât have a flanking capacity due to horrible maneuverability. Or tell me how to get over a machine gun in this tank that, has to be reloaded so frequently that you have nothing to kill infantry with most of the time. What about a rifle that just doesnât shoot straight? Other than that what Italy has in Tunisia is, if not bad, worse than British. PzB is worse than Boys, Breda is worse than Vickers, Semovente is so much worse than Grant, do I even need to compare German break-action gun to Winchester pump-action? So yeah, Iâm definitely trolling, sure.
I donât know much about their tanks, the guys above were talking about them. Though the bolt actions donât shoot straight because the devs made it that way with their whole accuracy (probably more so inaccuracy) update. From what iâve seen the Beretta is better than the Sten. Also, theyâll probably add more weapons in the campaign for both nations on both sides. There were a bunch of Italians and Germans fighting together in this campaign, just like the British and the American (Along with French who arenât in game yet) fought alongside each other. I donât see adding more content in as a bad thing, especially if itâs historically accurate. Hopefully they go back to Normandy and add in the British (due to Gold and Sword Beach) with the Canadians (Juno Beach) as squads inside the campaign.
When did we start talking about French tanks?
Italian filler is thermonuclear.
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