The rounds would also have less damage than their German counterparts.
That’s just playing poorly. You shoot the visible enemies from a distance, and then clear out the few stragglers left at close range when you have the numbers advantage.
At longer ranges, the Soviets have to be more careful with their ammo than the Germans.
You can’t always just build an ammo box right before you go into a fight. Oftentimes that can get you killed.
PPsh is good for everything that isn’t an assaulter at BRV.
The issue was more-so with the gun and not the drum mag, but the design of the box mags accommodated for that issue.
The soviets did not have very many advanced weapons until they started winning. They did have some semi-automatic rifles but the battle was more of a standstill around then, so most of the guns would just be from killed Soviets that didn’t get destroyed by artillery or grabbed by other soldiers.
I’m not exactly sure what weapons the Soviets used in Berlin (mostly due to America covering that in very little detail), but I do remember that a lot of their weapons were automatic by then (and they had a lot of skilled soldiers by then).
The Maxim Tokarev has a lower RoF than the MG42, leading to a lower DPS. Usually if you are going to mow down a crowd of infantry with an MG, you will either be at close enough range to mow them all down or far enough to mount it.
It feels like you’ve never even seen someone playing against the KTH. I am not going to tell anyone any of those spots, since I do NOT want to deal with ANY more of that.
At this point instead of Enlisted, maybe it should just be En-freaked. And instead of arguing in the forums, all the (adult) players just kissed?
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Just keep arguing ima not gonna Say anything else about that statement
Well ok then
Which it does ? But not exactly enough to make any meaningful differency.
Bottomline just explained that you were wrong.
And what exactly does stop soviets from doing the same thing ? Considering the pps is 3hk just like mp40 at 100m?
mmm soviet smg nothing but wasting ammo -/- high rof german lmg absolute mowing machine.
Gotcha
Okay, you do understand that you do have to modify the magwell in order to switch from 7.62 tokarev to 9mm ?
So how exactly this issue happened with german modified ppsh’s ?
So what exactly are these advanced weapons you are talking of ?
mmm soviet smg nothing but wasting ammo -/- high rof german lmg absolute mowing machine.
Gotcha
Yea, one could say its funny coincidence just like you have never seen vitality in use.
Right, they exist but not going to announce them. Gotcha.
Sorry, I must have forgotten to write damage fall-off, it’s getting kinda late rn.
Just after 100m the pps isn’t a 3hk.
German gpmg’s have more ammo storage and damage than the ppsh. Since Germans also work better than Soviets with a defensive playstyle, they also typically have more ammo boxes available.
They had to alter more than just the magwell. It was really a waste when you consider that it also decreased the rpm.
I have seen vitality in use, I’ve rarely died because of it since I usually am ambushing the enemy (the right way to play Soviet).
I’m honestly more surprised you haven’t found any of the spots. There’s only a few Eastern Front maps that don’t have them.
Also you have derailed the conversation so much, especially with the length of your posts. Just dm me or smth if you just want to argue about random things.
Ah well that makes sense. So what is pps & MP 40 dmg just after 100m ? Genuinely curious because thats the range I usually use the smg or even further.
Around 200m I usually switch to pistol because I dont like to waste bullets. Or spade because it has infinite ammo.
True and it definitely makes sense to compare lmg to smg.
Yeah, we GE players dont really even do anything else than build ammo boxes.
Absolutely spot on, i wonder does any other faction even have ammo boxes ?
Well I agree, one could wonder did they try to convert them to keep supply simple as possible rather than bringing another cartridge to supply.
But what I dont really get is, why they didnt just build ammo boxes ? Or buy from soviets ? They had plenty of those 7.62x tokarev rounds and could have definitely used the GE money.
Dunno, sometimes I just wonder how these dummies get to generals.
Well I can totally understand that after all soviets lacks the high rof roombroom weapons and bodyarmors suitable for cqc.
Yeah, me too ?
My apologies, theres just that tiny itch that I cant scratch when ever a soviet player pretends they got the short end of the stick regarding equipment.
Theres probably more wheelchair assists in USSR equipments than any hospital ever had.
Soviet players build basically no ammo boxes because it’s more effective to just rush down the enemy.
They could not have just bought the ammunition from the Soviets because of the Politics at the time. There is no way the Soviets would agree to that.
Idk what you mean by them lacking the room clearing weapons and the armor.
The skill for the equipment isn’t true. For AT weapons, they have to aim the arc well in order to be effective against the stronger tanks. For their tanks, they have to aim for the few good weakpoints of the enemy tanks due to their tanks having low armor penetration at their battle ratings compared to the enemy armor. Their planes are specialized for AT purposes, while German planes have a lot of HE or HEFI rounds in their autocannons. Their bolt-action rifles are slightly worse (not in a way that really affects gameplay). I do believe that they shouldn’t have had a semi-auto at BRII because the Winchester fulfilled the same role while being more skill-based. Their machine guns are mostly lmg’s, which are better for shorter ranges. Soviets, even historically, had the advantage in close quarters with their armament. The current balance for guns isn’t that bad as most of it is just using your weapons the indented way, but the balance for tanks definitely needs some work since the map design is likely to not be changed.
Are you sure ? Because i could swear the most effective way is to use smg at 100m or preferably even further.
Why didnt I think of that ? Good thinking my friend.
BUT hear me out, what if GE asked the US to buy the 7.62x tokarev rounds and then shipped them with fedex to Germany ? You know like middle hand ?
Really ? is it really that bad ? With GE panzerfausts I just point to general direction and its always like boom headshot and sometimes I even get 3 tanks with 1 hit.
In that case something really must be done, I roll around with my pz2 even in BR5 and sometimes I dont even aim and everything this blows up.
Well cant deny that, ive also found that lower rof is usually better at short ranges and at long ranges the high rof is the better option.
Absolutely, hence its really great that GE is the only faction that uses assault-rifle as its the only faction to truely use one.
Kinda gives that nice flavour to game when its historical in that way but lucky no one else has assault rifles so this game truely is historical.
You know, I just had a game with slightly over 200 kills. Never knew the Mp40 had such massive advantage at +100m over the soviet guns, its mind blowing.
Thanks for the tip tho ( But dont tell anyone I dont want others to know this )
Well I just cant argue with that, very well said my friend.
German ideal playstyle is mid to long range, while Soviet is short range.
The Soviets were not trading with the US before WWII because of severe tariffs that the US inflicted upon the Soviets. The only reason they kept trading oil with Germany was because they needed weapons badly to prepare for the war.
You mean 3 tankers per hit? The issue isn’t dealing enough damage, but rather doing it from a distance of 300+ meters.
I’d have to see a replay of that working or something. The only pz2’s I’ve met in BRV met their end within a few seconds from AT rifle grenades. (similar fate to all the PzIV J’s people love to spawn)
All of the Germany machineguns in the game are for medium range, while almost all the Soviet ones are for short range. This is more-so due to the lower penalties to sprinting and the faster response time with them.
Idk why the as-44’s were used in Enlisted, but specifically during the push to Berlin the federov avtomats would have been useable due to captured enemy ammunition. The main reason it wasn’t used early war is due to the ammunition not being manufactured in the USSR.
I really don’t know what you’re trying to get at with the mp40, as it was an example from when I was debating a similar thing with someone earlier. Germany is the machinegun country, you use machineguns. This game is asymetrically balanced, so use your mid-range weapons so you don’t have to engage in the only range where the enemy has a definitive advantage. I don’t really know how you’d get 200 kills in a match when in a lot of games the entire team scores less than that. I’ve definitely never seen a Germany player with that many, much less any of my Soviet teammates.
That makes sense, have you perhaps considered of using IS2 in cqc against KT2 ?
Could it be that soviets just havent figured the short range advantage just yet ?
Well that explains, I always wondered why the Germany just didnt make a fake account to ebay and buy the rounds from others. Quite stupid to convert a gun to your own ammunition especiatly if the rof decreases and such.
No 3 tanks, 2 enemies and 1 teammate.
Well as said I mostly played germany and with GE panzerfausts I just point it to general direction and boom headshot, tanks gone no aiming or anything like that required.
Intresting
Oh yeah, didnt the japanese also use the 6.5x arisaka ? Never thought of that, soviets could just capture the ammo from japanese in berlin. Silly me forgot GE & Japan were best friends.
After all it makes sense now.
Well Im going to admit ( Silly ass me ) I never thought of using the Mp40’s better dmg at long range.
And now that you said it, I strickly stayed beyond 100m of enemy and was murdering people left and right.
They just couldnt do anything due to massive range advantage.
And thats exactly what I did, very ez with mp40.
I have actually used the IS1 in CQB against the KT2, but that was the only time I saw one out of position like that (since most decent German players play defensively at medium to long range)
I’d have to see a replay for that triple kill with the rocket launcher.
The issue isn’t when you’re close enough to easily aim it, it’s when the only somewhat safe spot to aim at it is several hundred meters away.
With the mp40 stuff, it really feels like you aren’t even trying to give a counterargument. And if not, then you should take this to the dm’s and not clog up the post. (and get no further replies from the post creator to save space on the post and so that people can talk about the actual issue)
Makes sense since the IS1is faster than KT2, perhaps ambush & cqc ?
No idea how those works
But trust me its just that easy for GE, I guess GE just has better AT weapons
Im not ? Im totally agreeing with you. It was mind blowing how easy the game is when I simply took the advantage of higher dmg at 100m
Dunno, whats the issue ? Soviets should just ambush KT in CQC.
He has to move at some point anyway ? Perhaps wait till the cap moves to somewhere and make your move.
just like that