Gewehr 43 BR3

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As mentioned earlier: if you currently press “reload” with the current BR 3 G 41 and then again press “reload” during the animation when the first 5 round stripper clip is being loaded by your soldier THEN your soldier will stop reloading after loading the first 5 round stripper clip. In other words it is currently possible to only load one stripper clip with 5 rounds instead of two stripper clips with 10 rounds in the current BR 3 G 41. That does bring down the reload time for the current BR 3 G 41 but you will only have 5 rounds loaded, in other words that will load the current BR 3 G 41 at BR 2 levels.

Few players will know this, and even fewer will use it in the heat of the moment. The AI soldiers will never do this, they will always load 2 x 5 round stripper clips no matter what.

Only loading the first 5 round stripper clip in the current BR 3 G 41 is no real solution to the long reload times for the current BR 3 G 41 in a BR 3 match, but it can help you in an emergency. The AI soldiers however are always stuck with the current long BR 3 G 41 reload times, so for the AI soldiers this is not a solution.

P.S. To further clarify the above to anyone reading this: currently the best way to use the BR 3 G 41 with the long reload time in its current state is to only fire 5 rounds or all 10 rounds out of the maximum total of 10 rounds in the fixed magazine, and then press “reload”.

In other words either press “reload” when there are only 5 rounds left in the fixed 10 round magazine, or alternatively when there are only 0 rounds in the fixed 10 round magazine. Then when your soldier starts the reload animation press “reload” repeatedly (I usually press reload twice when the loading animation starts and that usually is enough to only load one single 5 rounds stripper clip) till your soldier stops reloading the G 41 after loading one full 5 round stripper clip. At all costs avoid reloading the current BR 3 G 41 when there not 0 or 5 rounds left in the magazine, because otherwise the reloading will take too long.

Only the player can do this of course, since the AI soldiers cannot do this and will not do this, leaving them at a massive disadvantage in Enlisted versus the current BR 3 Russian SVT-38 and BR 3 USA M1 Garand.

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already knew that but 2.4-2.6 reload time just for 5 clips vs 2.6 or 2.9 for a fresh clip. sometimes when u try to cancel the full reload they dont stop and cost uaround 2 seconds just to load 1 bullet

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More importantly, dual-clip rifles can do half-reloads with a half-empty magazine. If you are a someone who keeps track of your ammo count then dual-clip rifles are the best style weapons of their class, with a higher overall skill ceiling.

Unless you value mindless mag-dumping, then you prefer a quick and full single-reload instead…

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From my point of view currently the best way to use the BR 3 G 41 with the long reload time in its current state is to only fire 5 rounds or all 10 rounds out of the maximum total of 10 rounds in the fixed magazine, and then press “reload”.

In other words either press “reload” when there are only 5 rounds left in the fixed 10 round magazine, or alternatively when there are only 0 rounds in the fixed 10 round magazine. Then when your soldier starts the reload animation press “reload” repeatedly (I usually press reload twice when the loading animation starts and that usually is enough to only load one single 5 rounds stripper clip) till your soldier stops reloading the G 41 after loading one full 5 round stripper clip. At all costs avoid reloading when there not 0 or 5 rounds left in the magazine, because otherwise the reloading will take too long.

This means that you as the player will constantly need to keep an eye on the amount of rounds fired by you, meaning only press “reload” when you have either 0 rounds left or only 5 rounds left in the current BR 3 G 41. If it is anything other than 0 or 5 rounds left in the fixed magazine then the reloading will again take too long for the G 41 in its current state in Enlisted to be competitive compared to the BR 3 Russian SVT-38 and BR 3 USA M1 Garand in their current state in Enlisted.

All of this of course is a work around at best, and it is one reserved for the Enlisted “insiders” and it certainly is not a new-player friendly or even a player friendly solution. Either way it still leaves ALL the German AI soldiers using the BR 3 G 41 in its current state at a massive disadvantage to ALL their adversaries using the Russian and USA BR 3 self-loading rifles in Enlisted, due to the current BR 3 G 41 long reload time compared to the BR 3 SVT-38 and BR 3 M1 Garand with their significantly shorter reload time in their current state in Enlisted.

Even when using this “only reload one single 5 round stripper clip in the G 41 when there are either 0 or 5 rounds left in the fixed 10 round magazine” work-around this still leaves the player using the current BR 3 G 41 in Enlisted at a massive disadvantage compared to the current BR 3 SVT-38 and BR 3 M1 Garand because:

1.) The player using the G 41 needs to keep track of and give a lot of attention to his ammunition expenditure, and also his reloading requires a special “reload” button pressing reloading technique that is not required by the players opposing him with their current state BR 3 SVT-38 and BR 3 M 1 Garand. This gives the player using the G 41 something else to think about and focus on, other than the enemy and the match itself.

2.) Only loading one single 5 round stripper clip in the current BR 3 G 41 means that the the player using it as such is at a disadvantage against the players opposing him with their current state BR 3 SVT-38 and BR 3 M 1 Garand because these rifles not only have short reload times but also have more than 5 rounds in the weapon after simply reloading it by pressing the “reload” button only once.

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True, but as noted above: all of this is a work around at best, and it is one reserved for the Enlisted “insiders” and it certainly is not a new-player friendly or even a player friendly solution. Either way it still leaves ALL the German AI soldiers using the BR 3 G 41 in its current state at a massive disadvantage to ALL their adversaries using the Russian and USA BR 3 self-loading rifles in Enlisted, due to the current BR 3 G 41 long reload time compared to the BR 3 SVT-38 and BR 3 M1 Garand with their significantly shorter reload time in their current state in Enlisted.

Be that as it may, even though I am aware of all this more often than not in the heat of the moment I sometimes simply will not be able to maintain the required discipline to “keep track of my internal magazine ammunition expenditure and execute the required reloading sequence”. In any event the players and AI soldiers using the current BR 3 Russian SVT-38 and BR 3 USA M1 Garand do not have to do any of this, nor are they burdened with long reload times.

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Come to think of it, this is already the third or fourth forum suggestion thread asking to move the G43 down to BR3.
Honestly, I wonder whether people have properly considered the overlapping roles between the G43 and the ZH‑29.

Historically, nearly all WWII semi‑auto rifles fire full‑power rifle cartridges. Without balance constraints, semi‑autos starting from the SVT‑38 would all use full‑power rifle rounds, capable of instant kills just like the bolt‑action rifles at BR1. Damage values of 13 or 15 are purely balance‑driven decisions made by DF.

In my opinion, a 10‑round magazine should have been standard‑issue for BR3 German semi‑autos from the start. Yet German players have had to suffer without it all this time.

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Yet the developers never gave any official response. This topic was once heatedly debated among players, and I’m glad to see people still care deeply about Germany’s semi-automatic rifles at BR3. The previous three or four related suggestion threads each gained around 70 votes, with proposals leading by a narrow margin of five or six votes akin to a tight US election. All these discussions ended up going nowhere.
Strangely enough, none of these popular threads were acknowledged or reposted by the staff.

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Depriving Germany of a BR4 gun just because BR3 is powercrept by the SVT-38, the only mag reload in the TT at BR3, isn’t a good solution. Instead the reload of the SVT should be adjusted to fit in BR3 and the G41 buffed to something more like the Johnson, like suggested here.

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@GROOT0404 Like stated earlier the G 43 could become a BR 3 weapon and the K 43 introduced as a BR 4 weapon with better stats.

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Based on the current in-game data:

The Mauser Kar 98 k is a German BR 1 bolt-action rifle with a rate of fire of 62 rounds per minute, with a 3.4 second reload of 1x 5-round stripper clip, with each round doing 25.4 damage to the target.

The Kretz P 13 is a British BR 2 semi-automatic rifle with a rate of fire of 170 rounds per minute, with a 2.8 second reload of 1x 5-round stripper clip, with each round doing 23.3 damage to the target.

The Walther G 41 is a German BR 3 semi-automatic rifle with a rate of fire of 350 rounds per minute, with a 4.8 second reload of 2x 5-round stripper clips, with each round doing 15.3 damage to the target.

The Walther G 43 is a German BR 4 semi-automatic rifle with a rate of fire of 350 rounds per minute, with a 2.3 second reload of 1x 10 round magazine, with each round doing 15.3 damage to the target.

The Type 4 is a Japanese BR 3 semi-automatic rifle with a rate of fire of 350 rounds per minute, with a 4 second reload of of 2x 5-round stripper clips, with each round doing 14.9 damage to the target.

The M 1 Garand is a USA BR 3 semi-automatic rifle with a rate of fire of 350 rounds per minute, with a 2.9 second reload of of 1x 8-round stripper clip, with each round doing 15.3 damage to the target.

The SVT-38 is a BR 3 Russian semi-automatic rifle with a rate of fire of 350 rounds per minute, with a 2.6 second reload of of 1x 10-round magazine, with each round doing 14.4 damage to the target.

It does not take a genius to see that the semi-automatic rifles used in BR 3 by the majority of the Japanese and German soldiers as their main weapon in Enlisted are at a severe disadvantage versus the USA and Russian BR 3 semi-automatic rifles.

The main reason for this is that the current Japanese Type 4 and German G 41 have a considerably longer reload time compared to the current BR 3 USA M1 Garand and Russian SVT-38.

The only theoretical “advantage” the current BR 3 Japanese Type 4 and German G 41 have over the BR 3 Russian SVT-38 is that they do slightly more damage with each hit. That “theoretical” damage advantage is so minimal in game terms that the “time to kill” overall still remains significantly lower with the SVT-38 because the SVT-38 will kill more enemy soldiers faster because of their faster reload speed and all three rifles currently require more or less the same amount of hits in Enlisted to kill an enemy soldier. This “theoretical” damage advantage in game terms is however, even further decreased because of the current inauthentic Russian “body armour” damage reduction effect, which totally negates the “theoretical” damage advantage of the Type 4 and G 41.

The current BR3 Japanese Type 4 and German G 41 have no damage advantage over the BR 3 USA M1 Garand. In other words, the “time to kill” compared to the USA M1 Garand is more or less the same, but taking the longer reload time into account, the current BR3 Japanese Type 4 and German G 41 are at a significant disadvantage compared to the USA M1 Garand.

Is that “fair” from a game point of view? Clearly not.

Is that “balanced” from a game point of view? Clearly not.

So what COULD be done to make things more “fair” and “balanced” at BR 3 in Enlisted regarding the semi-automatic rifles?

Possible solutions are:

1.) Reduce the reload time of the current BR3 Japanese Type 4 and German G 41 to make them about the same as the USA M1 Garand and Russian SVT-38.

2.) Increase the reload time of the USA M1 Garand and Russian SVT-38 to about the same as the current BR3 Japanese Type 4 and German G 41.

3.) Re-designate the current BR 4 German G 43 as a BR 3 weapon, and introduce the K 43 as a new BR 4 German semi-automatic rifle with BR 4 level stats. That would solve the issue for the German side. The Japanese would still need a solution, with an obvious solution being adding a “captured” M1 Garand to the Japanese tech tree at BR 3.

Then there is the example of the Kretz P 13, a British BR 2 semi-automatic rifle with a rate of fire of 170 rounds per minute, with a 2.8 second reload of 1x 5-round stripper clip, with each round doing 23.3 damage to the target. That is almost the same damage as done by the Mauser Kar 98 k, a German BR 1 bolt-action rifle with a rate of fire of 62 rounds per minute, with a 3.4 second reload of 1x 5-round stripper clip, with each round doing 25.4 damage to the target.

If the BR2 Kretz P 13 British semi-automatic rifle is given a damage of 23.3 damage to the target then the Japanse BR 3 Type 4 and German BR 3 G 41 semi-automatic rifles could, following this example, also be given respectively a 23.3 (Type 4) and 25.4 (G 41) damage to the target.

Needless to say, the G 41 fired the exact same round as the Kar 98 k so the lowering of the damage done by the current G 41 in Enlisted is a game design decision, purportedly because the G 41 is a semi-automatic rifle . This current lower damage done by the G 41 in Enlisted is not based on any real life lower damage when this round is fired from the G 41 in real life.

So if this 23.3 damage increase can be given to the BR 2 Kretz P 13 British semi-automatic rifle in Enlisted then the same could be done for the Japanse BR 3 Type 4 and German BR 3 G 41 semi-automatic rifles to compensate for their considerably longer reload times.

The Japanese Type 4 in real life fired more or less the same round as the BR 2 Kretz P 13 British semi-automatic rifle, so the Type 4 could also get the same 23.3 damage that the current BR 2 Kretz P 13 does in Enlisted.

The German G 41 in real life fired the exact same round as the BR 1 Mauser Kark 98 k German bolt-action rifle, so the G 41 could also get the same 25.4 damage that the current BR 1 Mauser Kark 98 k does in Enlisted.

That brings me to solution 4.)

4.) Increase the damage done by the Japanse BR 3 Type 4 to 23.3 and the damage done by the German BR 3 G 41 to 25.4 to compensate for their long reload times compared to the BR 3 USA M1 Garand and BR 3 Russian SVT-38.

It would be interesting to see solution 4.) implemented in Enlisted.

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And here lies the major problem with BR3 semi autos for Germany. The fact that the Soviets get a BR4 weapon in BR3. This needs to change to be a proper 5 round stripper clip or be moved to BR4 where it belongs with a mag reload.

Not a TT weapon. Through their limited numbers, and to encourage participation, BP and Event end up stronger than TT weapons while being balanced by their low availability compared to spending a bit of silver for the ninetieth SVT-38.

The solution to the problem at BR3 while avoiding powercreeping BR2 unnecessarily is to turn the SVT-38 into a stripper clip reload and buff the G41, and the Type 4, to something around 3.8-4.0 seconds for a full reload, similar to the SMLE or No.4 MkI. While the Johnson rifle would still have an advantage in reload time with 3.4 it doesn’t feature a bayonet and really isn’t all that common to begin with.

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I prefer to see Solution 4.) to be implemented: Increase the damage done by the Japanse BR 3 Type 4 to 23.3 and the damage done by the German BR 3 G 41 to 25.4 to compensate for their long reload times compared to the BR 3 USA M1 Garand and BR 3 Russian SVT-38.

One might describe that solution as a form of “asymetric balance”.

This solution would indirectly partially also address the current Russian “body armour” insanity, at least at BR 3.

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Either G43 and Sniper G43 gotta go down a tier without changes or the Sniper G41 needs to be added to the tech tree.

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@Gen_Ziedrich

I agree with your suggestion of re-designating the “G 43” and (Sniper) “G 43 ZF 4” as BR 3 weapons without changes to their current in-game specifications/statistics. In addition to that a new “K 43” and (Sniper) “K 43 ZF 4” should be introduced in the German Tech Tree with proper BR 4 level specifications/statistics.

The G 41 (Walther) with a telescopic should in any event be introduced into the German tech tree at BR 3, in fact this should have been done a long time ago in Enlisted, there is really no viable excuse for not having done this by now.

It is really, really bad game design in Enlisted that their currently is an absence of a BR 3 tech tree German semi-automatic rifle with a telescopic sight. As I noted before on this forum from an authentic point of view that should be the Gewehr 41 of which both the Mauser and Walther version are known to have been equipped with the ZF 39, the ZF 40 / ZF 41 and the ZF 43 (B) telescopic sights which were used in front-line combat.

It should take little effort to address this issue for the Enlisted developers because the BR 3 Gewehr 41 with the ZF 40 / ZF 41 telescopic sight is already included in Enlisted, sadly this is currently still only in the form of a premium squad however. In the next mini-update the BR 3 Gewehr 41 with the ZF 40/ ZF 41 really should be added to be in the tech tree, that would not only be authentic but also a decent solution for addressing the current telescopic sight semi-automatic rifle imbalance in USA / Russia vs Germany matches at BR 3.

I made a “mess room” topic on the forum about that issue here:

For anyone, including the developers, that want to know more about ALL of the semi-automatic (self loading) rifles developed in Germany up till 1945 currently some of the best books on this subject are the two “Rough Forged” volumes written by author Darrin Weaver, sadly the latest two books he has written on the subject are only directly available from his website but they are certainly a must-have for anyone really interested in the subject:

The YouTube channel “Milsurp World” used these two books by author Darrin Weaver as a reference in his video where he details some of the differences between the early production G 43 and the late production K 43:

Another subject of interest regarding the current German Tech Tree is the absence of a semi-automatic (self-loading) rifle with a rifle grenade launcher. In reality the G 43 could use the rifle grenade launcher that was developed for and used with the Kar 98 k. In addition to that a unique rifle grenade launcher was developed specially for the G 43. Either, or both, of these should be introduced in Enlisted to fill this current absence in the German Tech Tree.

So two rifle grenade launchers existed that seem to both have been issued and used in WW2 with the G 43. Sadly all German state, private and company archives were purloined by the representatives of the governments of the countries that occupied Germany in 1945, as a result of which it is currently still not clear how many of these unique G 43 rifle grenade launchers were produced and used in WW2. There is no doubt however that the rifle grenade launcher that was developed for and used with the Kar 98 k could also be used with the G 43.

For anyone, including the developers, that want to know more about ALL of the German rifle grenades and rifle grenade launchers developed in Germany up till 1945 currently probably the best single book on this subject is the book written by the author Michael Heidler with the title “Deutsche Gewehrgranaten und Gewehrgranatgeräte”. That book is certainly a must-have for anyone really interested in the subject of German rifle grenades and rifle grenade launchers:

That book details, among MANY other things, the rifle grenade launchers developed for and/or used with the Kar 98 k, G 43, K 43, MKb 42 (W), MKb 42 (H), MP 43/1, MP 43, MP 44, StG 44 and FG 42.

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That will not and should not happen. Just powercreeping the game for no reason instead of fixing the problem at BR3 isn’t a solution. It just makes the game worse overall. It makes BR2, one of the most played BRs, significantly worse while removing something from BR4, I know it can be replaced but that’s not likely to happen in close proximity, while almost necessitating downtiering other BR4 weapons to balance the G43 against Allies and Soviets, thus making BR2 even worse to play.
As @OggeKing said here:

A nerf to the G43 is guaranteed should it, despite my and other people’s objections, be moved to BR3. The G43 as it is now is fully a BR4 rifle and can not sit at BR3 without nerfs.

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Wouldn’t the Karabiner version be… weaker though? Or is my terminology mixed up here and the Gewehrs are the shorter of the two?

Either way, the attachment options for weapons really needs to be looked at. It’d be nice to be able to chose what I want attached to my weapons, like which scope from those historically available or what grenade attachment or bayonet I use.
As the G43 (and most StG 44s by any other name) were given the attachment points for these things, even if the latter did not get them issued together.
Let it affect weapon stats as balance. Like then I can choose to have a more stable weapon by not adding a bayonet, but then if I wanna be able to charge my enemies for a good stabbing but have more weapon sway then lemme take my damn bayonet!

In all though it feels like yelling into the void as it seems Gaijin aren’t doing anything tech tree anymore despite it needed for the health of the game as all they wanna do is add premiums and events… The greed is gonna kill this game, man.

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The data, when examined in detail, does not support your statements.

I advise you to examine in detail the Enlisted in-game specifications, and in particular compare those of the various rifles with the BR 3 SVT-38 and BR 4 SVT-40, the regular and telescopic sight models, since these are the benchmark for comparisons in Enlisted.

In particular the DATA COMBINATION to examine is: hit power, rate of fire per minute, reload time in seconds, shots deviation, vertical recoil, horizontal recoil and magazine capacity. The shots deviation and vertical recoil combined greatly influence the ability of the player to hit a target with the second round fired, and it generally takes at least two body hits to neutralize an enemy target.

When looking at the data combination of these the BR 3 SVT-38 and BR 4 SVT-40, both with and without a telescopic sight, generally outperform all their competitors of other nations in Enlisted. There are few exceptions to that rule (SLR 1944).

USA/Great Britain BR 2, BR 3 and BR 4 versus Russia BR 3 and BR 4 semi-automatic (self-loading) rifles:

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USA/Great Britain BR 3 versus Russia BR 2, BR 3 and BR 4 semi-automatic (self-loading) rifles with telescopic sights:

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Japan BR 3 versus Russia BR 3 and BR 4 semi-automatic (self-loading) rifles:

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Germany BR 3 and BR 4 versus Russia BR 3 and BR 4 semi-automatic (self-loading) rifles:

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Germany BR 3 and BR 4 versus Russia BR 2, BR 3 and BR 4 semi-automatic (self-loading) rifles with telescopic sights:

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Germany BR 3 and BR 4 versus USA BR 3 semi-automatic (self-loading) rifles:

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Germany BR 3 and BR 4 versus USA BR 3 semi-automatic (self-loading) rifles with telescopic sights:

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When the data combinations are compared in detail then the inescapable conclusion is that the current BR 4 G 43 is considerably inferior to the current BR 4 SVT-40 and more comparable to the current BR 3 SVT-38. In other words the current BR 4 G 43 is in game terms a BR 3 weapon and not a BR 4 weapon.

Generally the benchmark for any tech tree comparisons in Enlisted are the Russian weapons because generally the Russian weapon in Enlisted at all BR levels have superior performance to those of the other nations in Enlisted. There are a few exceptions to this general rule, but those are exceptions (SLR 1944).

When I examine the data combination objectively I can reach the following conclusions regarding the current G 41 and G 43, both with and without telescopic sights.

Both the current BR 3 G 41 and BR 3 G 41 with telescopic sight are, respectively, inferior to the current BR 3 SVT-38 and BR 3 SVT-38 with telescopic sight.

In other words the current BR 3 G 41 and BR 3 G 41with telescopic sight are in game terms BR 2 weapons and not BR 3 weapons.

Both the current BR 4 G 43 and BR 4 G 43 with telescopic sight are, respectively, inferior to the current BR 4 SVT-40 and BR 4 SVT-40 with telescopic sight.

Both the current BR 4 G 43 and BR 4 G 43 with telescopic sight are, respectively, comparable to the BR 3 SVT-38 and BR 3 SVT-38 with telescopic sight.

In other words the current BR 4 G 43 and BR 4 G 43 with telescopic sight are in game terms BR 3 weapons and not BR 4 weapons.

If you want to reach a different conclusion when examining the data combinations in detail then we will have to agree to disagree.

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The K 43 had the same length as the G 43 and basically was the same weapon with several improvements.

The K 43 was not a downgrade or weaker variant of the G 43. One might argue the K 43 was better than the early G 43 on account of the improvements implemented with the late war K 43.

The late war K 43 included some improvements over the early G 43. In Enlisted for some countries many variants of some weapons have already been introduced, each with a different in-game performance. The same could be done for the G 43 and K 43 in order to put the G 43 in BR 3 and a new K 43 in BR 4 with better stats comparable to the BR 4 SVT-40 (= the benchmark weapon for BR 4 performance levels).

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Same for SVT-40 and G43, while the scoped G43 has less dispersion than the scoped SVT-40.

Is not in a position where it should be used as a benchmark. It performs just as well as a BR4 rifle while sitting a BR too low for its performance. As such it should get nerfed to properly fit in at BR3, with clip reload, or get moved to BR4 where it belongs currently.

Not relevant when comparing BR3 rifles against each other.

It is inferior to the SVT-40 and should probably be slightly buffed as such. However it is not considerably inferior. The G43 has a standard reload 0.2 seconds faster than the SVT-40 while its alternate reload is 0.6 seconds faster. And it has a faster ADS speed thereby reducing the large amount of added dispersion by hipfiring faster than the SVT-40 allowing for more accurate fire when moving.

What you meant to say here is that the SVT-38 performs as a BR4 weapon instead of as a BR3 weapon and as such needs to get nerfed.

That is indeed a problem but its extent is outside the scope of the discussion here and following it would derail the post significantly.

Again the SVT-38 is a BR4 weapon sitting at BR3 not the other way around.

That is pure nonsense. While the G41 is a weak BR3 rifle it is far too strong for BR2. A well balanced BR2 rifle, like the Armaguerra were it not facing body armour constantly, deals 1.9 fewer damage fully upgraded, lacks a bayonet, has half the ammo capacity and more dispersion. The fact that the SVT-38 outperforms them is due to the problems with the SVT-38 not some nonsense about them being BR2 rifles.

As I have stated many times on this thread and others the solution to the SVT-38 being a such a problem is to adjust it to properly fit in BR3 not to powercreep the game and make BR2 a miserable experience. The SVT-38 can not continue to exist in its current form at BR3 if we wish to have a well balanced game that’s enjoyable for BR2 and BR3, not just BR3. Moving the G43 down to BR3 as a solution to the problems the SVT-38 causes is like planting an invasive species because a tree blocks the sun ignoring the fact that that just causes more problems without addressing the actual cause of the issues.

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people have been saying this for years and gaijin just plugs their ears, they arent going to balance their precious USSR faction

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